+ 2 TRIPTORELIN (a nice summary) *updated
Triptorelin is a man-made GnRH decapeptide (gonadotropin releasing hormone) consisting of only 10 amino acids. It overstimulates your own production of certain hormones. This new peptide stimulates the hypothalamus to secrete gonadotropin into the bloodstream which starts the synthesis and secretion of the gonadotropins LH* and FSH*.
Multiple studies have now been done verifying triptorelins ability to raise LH and FSH in the blood within minutes of a single 100mcg dose. Some of these studies were done for retired bodybuilders that had been shut down for years. Ten days after this single 100mcg dose of triptorelin one study showed the ex-bodybuilder to have a natural testosterone production of 7.0ng/ML, before the treatment it was at 0.3ng/ML (normal ranges from 2.0ng/ML-12ng/ML). 30 days after treatment his blood levels were consistent and stable. He also reported to have a full energy and libido restoration.
WARNING: Triptorelin is a GnRH (gonadotropin releasing hormone) agonist. GnRH agonists have been proven to increase the onset of diabetes and some cardiovascular diseases. Triptorelin also has the ability to chemically castrate you. It can severely damage your testicular axis permanently at relatively low doses. Extreme caution is advised in it's use for increasing hpta function. One single 100mcg injection is safe and effective on day one of pct. With triptorelin in your pct I would recommend also running clomid 3-4 weeks at 50mg/day.
*LH (Luteinizing hormone): stimulates Leydig cell production of testosterone.
*FSH (Follicle-stimulating hormone): stimulates the maturation of seminiferous tubules and spermatogenesis.
---After this was posted I believe I've made a conclusion on something. With the research they do have on real trip there is absolutely no reason to believe it doesn't work... what is with all these testimonies saying it doesn't work? "bunk"! At the moment I wouldn't recommend buying trip unless it's pharm "trelstar"
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Darron614Looks like you guys were right unfortunately. Here are my labs.
http://www.eroids.com/pics/pct-triptorelin-total-fail
Darron614So I'm getting the bloods done tomorrow afternoon. Sucks that I have to fast for 12 hours since I'm trying to maintain my weight.
But anyways do you guys think I should take clomid right away after the test or wait to see the results before I make a decision?
Right away with clomid then stop use if results come back good.
Darron614Is the fact that I'm still waking up with morning wood a good sign or just my wishful thinking? I don't think I will be able to get bloods for at least a few more days so this kinda sucks lol.
Morning wood is a good sign but not a guarantee.
Darron614Thanks bro. I have never had blood work done, so a little guidance would be great. I thought most guys get the female hormone panel. From my research online it is like a few hundred dollars and I'm in college and pretty broke...
Hey brotha I'm in the same boat with college, but use privatemdlabs.com it's only $60 for the female hormone panel test and if you google the company name you can find discounts!
Darron614Awesome thank you bro! Got it for $50.99 with a coupon code. Now after pay online do I just show up whenever I want at the location I chose?
I really hope my levels are good and everyone can have a much easier pct with trip!
Ya just print out the form they email you and you are good to go!! Good luck brotha ill be posting my results in about a week along with my regimen that I used
Thank you guys for this!
Anytime brothas! Please keep us posted on results, ill make sure to post in pics next week also
Darron614I'm going in tomorrow morning. I'll post in this thread to let you guys know when I post pics of the results. Should only be a couple days.
You want LH and FSH levels tested. That will prove most of what we need. I thought the female test was 50 on some sites. Look at the blood work forum. Female panel is the best
I know there is one for like $50. Ill get a vet over here. Hold on.
Darron614Well I've decided I'm not gonna take clomid for the sake of the community. I did my trip shot last night and I am just gonna continue with 12.5 mg aromasin ED for another week then drop to 6.25 mg. I will try to get blood work done within the next couple weeks. Wish me luck!
U sure u wanna wait that long? Your FSH and LH levels are gonna be negligible right after the cycle. After that shot of trip you ought to have noticeable jump. Waiting those 2 weeks just to get the results is gonna be like throwing good blood after bad if it doesn't work. You could've standard PCT sooner. It's up to you...just throwing it out there.
Darron614When do you recommend I get bloods done? I want to wait long enough to determine if Trip is legit enough to use alone and if my LH/FSH will remain elevated after the initial spike.
I think that if there is/was a spike then the trip was legit period. Levels should stay elevated.
I'm just throwing this out there based on what I've read and not having access to what I believe is trip...in theory it looks like you could do bloodwork within an short time, say a couple of hours and it should show up in the bloodwork. If its me, I'd wait a day or maybe two and then do the test. If I don't see any action based on the bloodwork, it's time for standard pct. I've done this myself.
Anyone feels free to disagree with me regarding the approach.
Completely agreed! You are correct. If your levels aren't up now they aren't going up.
Darron614So you think that the issue is not that triptorelin is ineffective, but rather that all the available triptorelin is bunk (even top sources)?
Oh and how quickly do you get the results after bloods?
Just call me skeptical until more evidence is in they're putting out the real thing...maybe not everyone gets a spike and leveling, but some people should have based on the reading. The Freak is right about the results TA.
I'm going to research and find the most reliable source for trip. Get bloods 1 day before trip and one after.
He's right D. Never crossed my mind. Get bloods now. Some take 3 days some a week. Get bloods then get on clomid/nolva or whatever you have as precaution.
Darron614Alright going to try and get bloods done asap.
I'm in on a ten spot with bloods if bloods come back shitty. Anyone else? It's soooo worth the research!
BigBmajThat's really cool of ya. Hope you don't loose much unnecessary size. If you shrink down to 125 - I've got a 10 spot on your next cycle. Sure others would help if you passed around a collection plate.
Darron614Ugh now you guys are making me nervous! I still feel pretty good and have decent libido so I'm optimistic. I don't feel right trying to ask for money if the tests come back bad, but I most definitely wouldn't turn it down ;)
Hopefully it doesn't come to that though!
No need to ask bro. BigB is right and you'll deserve it.
You are awesome! +1
Darron614When would you run clomid after the trip shot? Next day or what?
Day of is what I would recommend
According to the post, if it's real trip, MULTIPLE studies show LH and FSH should rise noticeably within minutes. I recall seeing the graphs at some point and there is a definite difference. I have strong reservations so far of the trip that's being sold out there. Until I see some sort of bloodwork showing within an hour or even a day these levels have changed noticeably pre-pinning the trip, it isn't real as far I'm concerened. You better have conventional PCT prepared and don't depend on the so called trip that's being advertised until something has been shown to have the effects noted in the post.
Going the pharma route, the problem with pharma grade trip (trelstar), if you can somehow get ahold of it, is it looks like the lowest dosage it's available in is 3.75 mg. I have no idea how you're going to pull out 100 mcg neatly out of that.
MakaveliCD7Excellent point snuka!! I have had one encounter with pharma trip and it was a complete success hut I been in this world of AAS and science to know that one successful run doesn't mean full success... It means a better probability for good outcome.... The problems with trip are going to be availability and cost and thats talking legit pharma grade.... Thats y the pct realm is so vast is bc of science and discovery of AIs when u look back at the early 80s all u had was nolvadex and that summed it up but as clinical trials and technology changed so did our anti es and the availability.... U will see trip in the future just like we see all these other great ancillary meds that help.... As the more available it becomes so will the ppl that try it will b able to give a more credible feedback as I did.... So at this point I would say trip is definitely promising but we got to have more success stories than just me or John Doe to be deemed a new way or successful..... Just stick with the proven pct like aromasin, nolvadex and clomid and u can't go wrong
CD, gotta agree w/u. At this point trip isn't proven enough to rely on because it's relatively new and the legit stuff doesn't appear to be easy to obtain. I'm personally willing to experiment and try to determine if someone has the real stuff. The acid test for me is going to be LH and FSH levels...no immediate jump, it isn't real. That's the whole point of using trip...jump start HPTA so you don't lose gains and reduce or eliminate PCT time. Otherwise, like you say, stick to the time tested protocols we use now for PCT.
BigBmajSo do you think the trip from the research chem and peptide places here is bullshit? I'm inclined to think so. Because, as I said, my training partner had zero success with 100 mcg.
MakaveliCD7Absolutely brother bc the availability of it very scarce.... I basically got mine literally out the back door of a pharmacy with bit of cash and favors....that stuff worked for me but definitely not cost effective when I can almost produce a similar result with adding more pct time with correct combination...but one time is no success it's a start but not clinically proven....
The real stuff is not available thru any readily source I'm aware of and especially as cheap as the sell it.... So good luck with whatever that is but it's not trip
My gut is telling me the same thing
Unless I hear different the stuff that's out there is as effective as liquid caber.
Very stable ;)
Anonthey wholesale it at like $7 a vial... sounds about as reliable as "GENERIC HGH"
"oh yes, stooopid amerikan, it legit, it make your balls hyyyogueeee"
I can't move my fingers! This shits legit!
GreAt post! Thanks for the write up
+1 for bringing the discussion to the table.
BigBmajIve read that study a few times.
A very close friend of mine just ran some from a top source here. He didn't have any blood tests to confirm it but he didn't feel like he bounced back. His sex drive suffered, no resurgence in the nuts, low energy, and he experienced a general low t feel. He went on to more conventional PCT.
Id have to see lots of blood work and hear some major success stories before I relied on the stuff.
I got blood work posted in my profile after a trip pct
BigBmajI didn't see if. I'm feeling pretty lazy this second.
What was the before and after??
I agree fully. I've read 3 studies that were successful but I'd like to hear it from people here that try it and get bloods before I rely on it in a pct program.
ive been doing some reseach of my own with triptorelin as i have done a triptorelin pct. i would recommend running it with toremifene rather than clomid just based on experience as toremifene has a better ability to raise lh and fsh than clomid or nolvadex. also based on what i have read triptoreling shouldnt be ran with hcg, as the combination of these two can have an antagonistic effect on gonadtropin release and cause the opposite effect you are looking for. also there is some that say the two combined has been linked to gyno, which hcg in itself can cause gyno in men as a side effect but combining the two again has an antagonistic effect and in some sides it has a synergistic effect. granted these are based on what ive read from other boards and sites so there is little evidence or study to back these claims up, but it brings up some concerns
Great info! Thank you for contributing. (post in pct/anti-estrogens also will ya? I posted this in both because it seems not to many know much about it and it can be pretty damaging if not used correctly). If HCG is ran during a cycle there is no need for trip. They have the same end result but trip is one shot instead of ran the entirety of the cycle. Thanks again bro
I will post it in pct to. Thanks. I've been working on a article about hcg the good and bad of it. I'll post it when I'm done its a good one