+ 17 Sciroxx Tren Mass Spec Results
So this sample is for Tren E that came from Sciroxx and was dosed at 200mg/ml. We found that dosing to be accurate if not slightly overdosed at 210mg/ml. Problem is all the garbage floating around in the sample. We found the sample to at 26% purity. On page 3 when you look at the ions there are lines and at the top of the lines are numbers. Those numbers are the molecular weight of target ions that were found in the range of 50 to 800, where most compounds that we're interested are found. The molecular weight for Tren E is 383 and we see that molecular weight is present to a certain degree but what stands out in my my mind is there is another unknown molecular weight that is MORE present than the Test E! Whatever it is has a molecular weight of 515, and then there are other IONS present as well that are unknown. We don't test for the unknow IONS so all we can say is they're unknown. Once all the IONS are counted and then divided into the Tren E we come up with 26% purity. Just a dirty sample. And for the record, this was a sealed sample.
When faced with these kinds of results the source ALWAYS blames the testing or the methodology, which is why our methodology has to be perfect every time without fail There are many safegaurds in place to prevent false readings and to keep the eroids community informed while keeping sources honest. I hope this helps.
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Good looking out. Nothing like knowing your gear is dosed right but that you have to filter the shit before you pin it. So much for GMP...
I stand behind karl on that one, I have a vial of test-p right now in my hand and it's clean, PERFECTLY clean.
Why would he make quality test-p when he do poor quality tren. It do not make sence at all. I strongly believe that all of his oil are as clean as the one I hold right now!!
Their is some 200+ karma to have mention ares product. And to me it seems like a tentative to discredit sciroxx team adn push their customer to someone else.
Anyone could have sent a sample of vial to them and demand a test.
Anyone could have make that sample.
I don't believe anything about the impurety of sciroxx's products. Because What I have right now, Is clean, smooth, and FUCKING EFFICIENT!
Karlsx you are the best and don't worry. the one who have made business with you will stay with you because you are truly the #1 Lab.
RustyhookerWith your superman vision you can tell it's clean? I'm sure there's gonna be plenty left over for you after these tests.
MilKmAnDammmmmmm Karl is a totally bitch here right now..... You could've handled this situation in a way different way!!!! Shame on you and not the other guys. Shit happens man...and even if the tests aren't as accurate, 26% is shameful. I could prob brew something better with the little knowledge I have in this field
+1 for your work. Since everybody is throwing rocks, knives, and bullets at each other I'm going to throw a big monkey wrench in this thread.
Just curios did this source ever handle the guy from Chile's problem? You know the one everyone negged because he couldn't speak English that good and got a bunch of magazines in his pack. Supposedly.
Also not to put too much in the street but you guys do realize that the Real Big World Wide sources and their "network" aren't brewing 10, 100, or even a 1000 vials of a compound at a time. This is way bigger then a lot of guys on this site realize. When you got ugls overseas brewing barrels of products at a time versus guy over hear in their office type lab making 100 or a 1000 vials at a time your going to have this situation. Even in this country with the FDA you can have x number of cockroach legs per box of Cheerios and be AOK. I suggest you find your source you trust and love and proceed with caution with what you shoot up. A lot of stuff out there works and some extras that might be in the vial may not harm you but I'm not swimming in the 10,000 gallon pool that the neighbors kids pissed in. Even though it won't hurt you.
damm thats crazy, he prob makes it in his bathtub
It is being hinted at that Angus is being accused of foul play so I need to clear that up if I can. I am the one that sent in the sample and I did buy it directly though Sciroxx. I have email correspondence and can even post a photo of the bottle it came from if need be. Also, I didn't tapper with the sample I sent in for testing. I would gain nothing by doing that... All I'm interested in is getting pure, top quality gear.
I took a LOT of time researching before I chose Sciroxx as my source. I chose them because they not only got good reviews here, but they also were respected at several other boards. I could find a lot of great reviews about individual sources, but it was almost always on one or maybe two sites. Go to another site and I find that no one on that forum has ever heard of the "great source" I read about on the other forum...
That being said, they are still an UGL. They don't have the combination of oversite and QA that a legitimate pharmaceutical company does. So, when I found out I could get my stuff tested via mass spec I thought I would error on the side of caution and get it checked out.
To be honest, I don't know a lot about mass spectrometry. However, when I compare the mass spec of this Tren E with the one of Ares for example, they definitely look different. They both have Tren E but this one appears to have a lot of "extra stuff" in it.
I have nothing but respect to what you claim here. I sent you a FR. I assure each and every member here the quality we offer. I stand behind each and every word in our correspondences, and like i stated here I still doubts the impossible 26 percent purity claim here and would like to emphesie that the product did test for 210mg/ml. I encourage each and everyone who ever tested real products like sexymey to conduct any lab test, who ever thinks that Sciroxx would release HGH with 96 percent purity and suddenly screw up in a vial of tren E simply missed some basic facts in analytical chemistry.
I've begged to contact the "doctor" behind the test and connect him with my analytical chemist - we do run HPLC tests ourselves and we're quite confident in the quality we offer in each and every batch - we've built our rep since 2008 like you may learn on any major forum omn the consistent quality we offer.
I apologize for any personal attack I made below toward Angus - After talking with him I know that his sole goal was to provide with some reliable info, unfortunately I speculate that the lab didn't have the proper standard for this test and lacks the necessary knowledge to analyze the results. Everyone may check random lab tests done on our products, as well as serum tests by unbiased members here.
The products was tested on 210mg/ml as it should.
You're welcome to check parallel lab test done by this member on the methanodex.
I'm positive that Angus and username97 that somehow opened his account simultaneously with placing the order with us. I do encourage him to post his serum tests with our products which were exceptionally well.
Some reliable analytical chemist would have save this whole drama
if i could plus 1 you and username for these 2 posts i would in a heartbeat
Damn, right when I convinced you're a total cock, you go off and do something like this for the community....again. Thanks for the info.
Ya , u know it may be decent stuff, but I also messaged Karl a while back about a bunch of shit floating in my oils (Deca, test, tren,) when I held the vial up to the light I could see hairs, fibers, and organic matter specks (what it looked like to me at least) just dirty oil. BUT the tren ace was very good quality. Still won't run gear that has other "unknown" shit in it tho
Well it's getting more and more ridiculous - I would like to see a pic of a sealed vial with a tiny thing inside - you see air bubbles ..... you sent me some excellent feedback on the products you got - would you like me to post your comments ? Do you think that you injected hairs fibers and organic aliens and be happy with us here? come'n
Pls PM me for any further details
Again -
I would like to hear one slight complaint on tren enanthate which arrived to one of my (real) customers.
The effect of the tren enathate is quite pronounced and easy to confirm, as u all know, so I encourage any of my customers to complain on such incident
AnonIm suprised....whats the batch number.....i ran the tren ace and it was great.....very good and i would run it again but this has me concerned and would like to.see results on other stuff
Don't worry!! These test don't confirm contaminated or underdosed product.. I'll explain later to the community when I have time, there's a large gap in the full understanding of this mass spec test. Honestly there is really nothing to be worried by here.
angus.
I got you
As a double major in biology and chemistry in college with a medical degree, I have run a lot of mass spec in my day. I think the problem here is a lack of understanding of the test and the chemiistry behind it. I'd be happy to discuss and provide additional clarification if necessary.
By all means clarify I find this interesting thou I've never tried this particular lab and I'm not trying to argue if it is I just want quality products and am lately thinking about just getting a script again so I don't have to worry about what I'm injecting in my body.
So what happened here in this link this bottle of test was good
http://www.eroids.com/pics/mass-spec-on-test-insane-purity-and-quality
I agree with ya 2500. I've got a great TRT/HRT clinic that prescribes me almost everything I need. For me it's more of a price thing. I've got some compounds sent off for testing. These results will determine what and who I use for my UGL gear.
+1 =)
As an open question -
I would like to hear one slight complaint on tren enanthate which arrived to one of my (real) customers.
The effect of the tren enathate is quite pronounced and easy to confirm, as u all know, so I encourage any of my customers to complain on such incident
Would still insist to know the "source" of this sample, I do wonder...
AnonFor what purpose. To attack his credibility? At least be clear of ur intentions.
WeatherwedI believe they call that the chain of custody. Def. a legitimate request.
FR sent.
Accepted
I apologize for my ignorance..but it I'm not grasping the I guess what is the most basic conclusion supposing to be drawn here in these mass specs..and that is:
If there is 200mg of the tren compound, or 210mg in this case, but the purity only comes out to 26%, does that mean each mL contains 54.6mg of tren..or does it mean there is 210mg of tren? This always confuses the heck out of me with these tests when for example, the conclusion drawn says ' this sample is accurately dosed at 100mg/ml' but then will follow with something like, 'sample is 50% purity'.
To me, that would tell me that I am getting a 50mg dose, and thus is NOT accurately dosed..because in order for me to get my given dose requirement I am going to have to DOUBLE my dose.
Forgive me if I am missing something here. But the wording can be confusing. If I had this exact tren E that was tested above and I read these results, then 'I think' I would have to quadruple the dose to get the desired/advertised amount. If I am off base here, I would appreciate the clarification. Thanks, and many, many thanks for taking the time to do the testing and help the community.
RustyhookerPurity. Take a solid bar of raw copper. Then melt it. Now it's separated into pure copper and the impurities. That copper in order to be used as a conductive material must be melted and separated many time to get enough "purity" to meet standards.
So yes you may have 1lb bar of "copper" but what's in the rest of the mix? Lead, iron, aluminum etc.
Gmp/who standards for human grade steroids must meet high rules for "purity". Meaning that the rest of the ingredients can be metals, debris etc.
Moment bro - you think that you may find there 597mg/ml of metals ?! ok - and even 0.597mg/ml of such metals ?
BTW - such metals are very easy to identify in HPLC - their finer print will scream out
Thanks brother. I've always understood that oncept, but would get confused here, especially when a purity is so low but still manages to be accurately dosed because of the resulted high density.
What's interesting here is that it's not that there is a million little bproducts, but 1 massive unknown compound (with the molecular weight of 515). It would nice if there were a way to reference this compound. Perhaps it is being spiked w/ some other aas making the product seem more effective. This would however also be counter-intuitive because it would cost more $$ to deliberately add another ingredient. These results are definitey interesting to say the least.
Precisely - the results are for 210mg of pure tren enathate period, not 54.6 tren - which ultimately proves my point. And if you keep playing with the number according to Angus interpretation you'll find out that you have there 597mg/ml of a new impurity - so where is the oil ? the other solvents ? these claims are fiction of course
ohh, I see. SO the results are actually telling us that this is actually an oil with an 800mg/ml density..which you are saying does not seem plausible for it to be that concentrated.
But it does, in fact, contain 210mg of tren regardless. Okay, I think I'm on board with this.
AnonTest and numbers speak for them self i never liked theyre prices nor will i ever buy from them thanx angus ur always doing these test i really appreaciate it +1
RustyhookerUltimately I'd be hollering at the raws soyrce and lab techs.
AssUhlDude you are bogus as fuck and this is BULLSHIT!!!!! I have been running Sciroxx as well as my crew and THOUSANDS OF OTHERS AROUND THE WORLD with AMAZING RESULTS!!!! I have NEVER ran Scuroxx that didn't completely hold its own with HG gear in my entire AAS history..6 years at 2-3 cycles per year and Sciroxx has actually ALWAYS been my favorite lab of all time! I'm sorry but anyone who has EVER ran Scuroxx and felt the greatness of their products would HAVE TO AGREE with Karl!!!!! Keep up the GREAT work Karl and don't pay any mind to guys that don't know SHIT about the diarreah pouring outta their mouths!!!! Someone anonymously send a sample to Beaker and we'll see REAL PROFESSIONAL RESULTS!
AnonAs a matter of fact Angus is one of the members with the most integrity I've ever met.
Please take Karl's ball bag out of your mouth when u speak to another member of Eroids. Nobody is saying every compound is bad. Not once have I read that. Karl pays for Raws just like every Src here. He doesn't have control over the purity. He doesn't synthesize his Raws nobody here does.
You realize you could be running good to great gear of Sciroxx and this TrenE could still have low purity right?
AssUhlBall bag......nice one....I love how you run around here like you run this site always talking shit and trying to be like a mod or some shit. Take the mods ball bags outta your mouth! I just think its shitty to take such a hugely respected lab like Sciroxx and drag him through the dirt like this over one bad vial instead of getting with him and figuring out what happened or went wrong because now you see all these people talking about staying away from Sciroxx now or being weery of them and like Monstar said, I've ran there Tren and it was amazing like every other product I've ran of theirs and wouldnt hesitate a second to run it again! One bad vial and look at all its caused when they've been such a great company and put out so much amazing gear! That's terrible, that's all I'm saying!
AnonWhere did u fucking see Angus say his entire lineup was bad?? I re read this thread a hundred times and I don't see that anywhere. You have no clue what's really going on behind the scenes. If u did you wouldn't open your mouth.
Be careful who you back and stake your reputation on. If you recall I posted an independent Mass Spec on his Scitropin. I backed that product and Karl's caber. Only after I ran bloods on my prolactin. Look at my pics. I've run his Tren Ace which was smooth and potent. But I never got it mass spec tested. I ran his EQ which was decent and smooth. My RBC and my hematocrit was elevated during that run of Tren Ace n EQ. So in my book they were good.
You know it's funny how u can talk shit to Angus for posting this Mass Spec but when someone talks shit back to u somehow you're offended. You question Angus' integrity as has Karl. He did accuse
Him of blackmail falsely!!! Karl insulted me through PM accusing me somehow of sending in this sample. Where I'm from you don't make false accusations of people if your story is legit. What's the purpose of drawing that much attention to yourself if your legit?
When a major Src such as Karl falsely accuses innocent people it sure doesnt bode well for his image. If he's so superior as you say why does he resort to false accusations and insults?
Since you are now in charge of defending him lets get your side of the story! Show me proof to back up Karl's claims that Angus is blackmailing him and that I sent in This sample. Show everyone here proof of Karl's claims since you have chosen to stake your reputation as a member of eroids on Karl.
Enlighten us all!
AssUhlYour making yourself look like a complete moron now dude....all that really?? And you read it a hundred times....why?? :/ I never said I backed ANY claims of blackmail, nor did I know he said anything negative about you so here you are trying to point the finger at someone who did nothing but back the guys gear and in turn try to make me look like one of the bad guys here!!!! Now I hope reading what we both posted everyone can question YOUR integrity because I NEVER ONCE backed any claims of blackmail or said i was his damn spokesman so stop trying to make me look worse just cuz your mad....what kinda intregrity do you call that......seems like the kinda integrity your saying karl has cuz its DEFINITELY a "false" claim just to make me look bad!!! Get a life and stop goin around the board attacking peoples "OPINIONS"!!!!!! ITS AN OPEN FORUMN!!!! And definitely not putting my "reputation" on the line....I'm just stating my opinion because I've used Sciroxx for years as have thousands of others from multiple boards where he's been known all around for quality and has quite the reputation himself and then because of this one bad sample all the sudden he's getting slammed for poor quality....and besides you wanna talk about Eroids reputation like its LIFE!!!!! Damn dude don't get me wrong, I love Eroids but its not my life bro....I have kids, a family....ya know, the REAL world, but would I stand up for a src that's ALWAYS been great to me even if my EROIDS REPUTATION is on the line?? DAMN STRAIGHT I WOULD!!!!!!! No cowards in my family!!!!
Hey bro as much as u like them as a source post like this is needed for the community. to show the customers what sources are giving us what we pay for and what ones are not.
As fair as Sexy Mexy gos that guy right there has been through a lot on this site from being a reg member to banned to being a mod to back again and ill be the first to say he might come off as a dick but he loves this site and the members and he would do anything for any one hear so please show him a little respect he's been around a long time.
angusLmao. Beaker ran this lab genius! What do you have to say for yourself? Now they're real professional results? His name is on them if you bothered to look. You think I'm here to attack Karl? You are mistaken if you think that. I don't get involved in the shit, I merely post the results as I do for all that ask me to after beaker and I finish with them.
Pls show us the original file from this "lab" ... it carries the inspector's signature
The lab results confirm the expected accurate dosage of 210mg/ml of pure trenE
the minor impurities there should exist there - when you rely on a standard of a dry powder (of trenE in this case) and compare it to a processed oily solution this is what u get.
All these claims that there are 74 percents of impurity there - well this is ridiculous ... and I actually look for a more severe word so help me god - if there tren E is 210mg/ml then we have to see there 597mg/ml of a fantastic impurity - god helps us - where is the oil ? where are the other solvents ? all disappeared in the favor of this extra toxic impurity
STOP THIS BULLSHIT - ANGUS GOT SOME RESULTS IN HIS HANDS WHICH HE HAS NO CLUE TO ANALYZE THEM
OMG! So basically we are injecting highly dosed gear along with a whole lot of shit into our bodies. Thanks for always looking out for us. If we had 10 more of you there would be no crap gear at all. +1
angusThank you my friend. It always amazes me the few sources that put out a poor product and won't man up about it. Most bad reports go undetected because the source replaces the gear and uses the report as a tool to correct problems. The ones the come out great usually post the shit out of it and are happy, but then we get the 1% that thinks they're smarter than the mass spec, smarter then the guy with the PhD running it and therefore everyone is wrong but them. We'll continue to expose them.
AssUhlYeah, that's why Sciroxx has been a MAJOR lab for years and years with THOUSANDS of customers because they're just that shitty right....
angusFR Sent, lets chat.
angusDid I say one negative word about any of their products or their methodology? Nope! I'm here to post the results of a single test from a single compound of a single batch. Don't infer that I think their whole line is junk, cause I have no clue! I can't say anything good nor bad about it. All I can talk about is this one sample.
With all the respect have never seen such horrible interpentation of HPLC - FFS
So what u say master ? it's 210 mg but 26 percent purity ? ....... so it's like like 55 mg tren ? lol ... of course not
I urge any analytical chemist to express his opinion on this claim ... lol ....
Who ever ran there the test relied on a standard of trenbolone enathate which has never been brewed with other solvents and oil in high temperature - under such conditions some impurities ocure and appear on the test - the analytical chemist should use there a standard which went through the same process which the tren ran in our lab.
Bottom line -
And man - I've hear from u that u wnt some free gear, and got your threats in advance - be a man and also show us the methanodex results, and I'll wait meanwhile for your apologize on this tren issue
angusI've never contacted you, I don't know who the hell you are, I certainly have never asked for any free gear, nor have I ever threatened you. I wouldn't even accept your gear if you wanted to give me some. I have absolutely no interest in this other than to post this mass spec; therefore you'll not get an apology from me.
So this is what people can expect from your gear? It's dosed properly but it's got a lot of junk in it. Should people pay extra for that? How bout telling us what the other 74% is?