How long can I stay on 750MG. sustanon per week? (sorry I previously posted 750 ml)
.Im 54, never used an AI or serm as my research on rebound effects from that shit makes me afraid of side effects from side effects. Hey, if it aint broken on me..I aint fixing it.
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HERES THE QUESTION: I am on about my 14th week of a 14 week cycle. Using no ai's or anything. I figured its my last pin, so 4 days ago I went FROM 500ML up to 750ml in one shot(literally) and cut the 30mgED dbol out 3 weeks ago.(no effect) figuring what can it do but help me after not gaining hardly any good results on this cycle at all. Lo and behold, in the 4 days since doing the 750ml at once, I feel tighter and although I took the last 3-4 days off from the gym,No workouts at all! I was only doing avg 6 sets per bodypart. Also, Bloating in face is going away....I bet it was the dbol.
Im definitely gaining a little something here as I cant get my thumb near my bicep anymore. I also started proviron as many people on different boards said it actually acts for them as both a estro reducer and also frees up testosterone in the blood to act anabolically. I was sold. I didnt like the stories of Nolva people getting gyno rebound effects and the armidex people getting joint pain and sometimes still losing all their sex drive. So...as far as Im concerned, all this ai shit is just hit and miss. My question is..............IF THE UPTAKE OF SUSTANON TO 750 PER WEEK AND THE addition of proviron of just 1/2 25mg pill per day(will be going to full pill when off cycle or maybe in 2 weeks).........HOW LONG CAN I STAY ON THIS AT 750 IF I KEEP SHOWING GAINS AS LONG AS THERE ARE LITTLE TO NO SIDES? i'D like to stay another 8-10 weeks.
Im ending it the same way I ended all the other 4 cycles in my life before ai's were around. Old school-Just cutting back slowly over 4-6 weeks. It worked every time before on my 12-14 week bulking cycles. What if I want to stay on until the gains stop? What if that ends up being another 14 weeks? Is this cool? I would possibly consider having some armidex on hand just in case but dont want to use anything but the proviron until I know if the proviron is even helping at all. Unfortunately, my new gear guy doesnt sell proviron and I will run out in about 3 weeks.if I go to a full 25mg pill in 10 days . WHAT IF I DONT STOP GROWING FOR ANOTHER YEAR? IM SURE A LOT OF GUYS ON THIS BOARD ARE TOO EMBARRASSED TO ADMIT THEY ARE STILL ON THE "12 WEEK CYCLE" THEY STARTED LAST APRIL!!!! LOL
WHAT IS THE LONGEST I CAN STAY ON THIS AND STILL FEEL I WONT PERMANANTLY DAMAGE MY ENDOCRINE SYSTEM? WHAT IS THE POINT OF NO RETURN WHERE ID HAVE TO BE ON GEAR FOREVER?
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Also, when would it be safe to start 2nd gear cycle??? I actually gained another 2-3 lbs of muscle when stopping gear as weight stayed same but stomach shrunk a tiny bit and delts came out. Id like to try only a test. enanthate , test prop cycle for total of 500mgs weekly for 8 weeks ,then adding in 250mg of something else for 6 final weeks giving me a total of 14 week cycle.
Or....cut the enanthate and just use d-bol(or deca) and prop at any point if something doesn't feel right. I have held 5 of the 15 pds Ive gained on the last sust and d-bol cycle so im now 5'10 and 175 lbs with 22% bodyfat. I also admit I stopped working out due to chronic insomnia issues 1 week after cycle 2 months ago and am just getting back in the gym tomorrow or monday. I feel much less depleted now. And more ready!
ps-even in military bootcamp at age 18 getting 3-4 hrs sleep and never feeling full did I ever get under 19% bodyfat! I came out almost the same weight and muscle as when I went in!!! And most aerobic activity made me come close to vomiting,so something must be off with my glycogen conversion to never lose body fat.(My blood has always been fine) I even asked Frank Zane at a seminar 29 years ago what to do and he couldnt even help me except to mumble something vague about carb intake.
I know a few guys in my gym that cruise on 500mg per week of test e all year long then, and they just cycle tren on and off. I don't see the point as they don't get paid to looked jacked all year long, some pros stay on all year for sure I would aswell if I was just about to grab a big life changing contract
To touch on what Noid said below it is called the law of diminishing returns. It's not just used in economics but in the medical community as well. You will get to a point where more gear gets you fewer and fewer gains. That is why pro body builders who have been in the game for so long have to take such large amounts of steroids to accomplish anything. They also blast and cruise and most likely are on trt for the rest of their life. If you took Dbol for 11 weeks I would check your liver levels as well in your tests. Just because you haven't gotten gyno yet and you feel you are not gyno prone doesn't mean you will not get it. I promise you there is estro conversion happening as we speak. You really should be running an AI and done properly the side effects can be mitigated greatly. Lastly get your bloods done from personalabs.com not private md. Though I like and use private md they only give you half the test results you need. In other words they have the best pricing if your running pre-cycle labs or post PCT but they will only tell you your test level is above 1500 and thus high. Personal labs will actually tell you your level.
Here are the links:
http://www.personalabs.com/
http://www.eroids.com/pics/updatedlab-reports-102-testosterone-how-to-pr...
if used properly you will NEVER get estrogen rebound.
You seriously worry me. At your age running these extremely unhealthy cycles. You are very lucky you are not prone to gyno because the way you run your cycles should have you a full set of tits
750 ML IN ONE SHOT? THATS 75 BOTTLES BRO WTF THATS NUTS 75 BOTTLES A WEEK OMG
no no no guys. thats three 250ml amps. 750 total! Wheeeeew! Damn Id be dead pretty quick. My blood work. It was all normal 14 weeks ago, and I have no had the time to go to this place someone here said i could get it done for $59. I should get it done again. But lets say in a week it comes back high side of normal, I can just stay on 750 a week till the numbers start to move in the wrong direction...or dont wait? Sorry, I didnt read all the posts at one shot. Thanskeveryone for your sharing.This is cool. Bloodwork I know i need. Im "ASSUMING' IT WILL COME BACK OK. iF ITS NOT OK, THIS CONVERSATION AND MY CYCLE IS TOAST. But yeah, 500 sustanon didnt do squat for 12 errks but gain me 12-15 lbs of waterweight. LETS SAY 3 LBS WAS MUSCLE I CANT SEE.. iVE ALWAYS SUSPECtED I HAD Hormone problems of another kind they dont pick up in conventional blood work. I go to see an endocronologist on may 1st anyway. All my research leads to me having adrenal problems which is why I break out in sweats whenever i get angry or work out too hard for more than a few. My docs all think im nuts.
The amps are milligram/mg not milliliters/ml! you need to stop this cycle and try to recover.....And doesnt everybody break out in sweats when they get mad or workout? or have i been in the clouds for the past 30 years?......You need to do more research before ruining yourself or killing yourself. whats your blood pressure been through this cycle?
Haha I noticed it too, but was to disturbed by the rest of the content to say something. 750 ml of 300mg/ml = 225000 mg. Holy fuckin shit!!! Cutler couldn't even hold that much oil.
so it sounds like you ran D-bol for 11 weeks as you stated you stopped 3 weeks ago? you didnt run an AI the entire time and your balloon face is finally going away now that you started provi at 12.5 mg/d, your 54 and trying to figure out how long you can run test without messing up your endocrine system on a cycle that you havent gained anything from? I would guess that you have strained your liver, held water and high blood pressure and should stop this cycle ASAP to see if at 54 you will recover fully, and trust me the extra 250mg you pinned has little to do with what is going on right now. After 14 weeks of continued test use your receptors have done their job and are tired, you are not likely to feel an extra 250mg.
Thanks roid. Ive been off everything for over 2 months. No gyno thank God, althpough Ive always carried a tiny little bit of extra bodyfat in my chest since I was a teen, perhaps because my most natural upper body development has always been pecs. Blood pressure is perfect at 110/78. I admit I never did any blood work after stopping. Why everyone thought my 750mg'sof sustanon, thats like 3ml's right?, was so much and I should stop right away, Im still not clear on.But...
Heres the question Im wondering about now and will likely start a separate thread for it. Recently my doc prescribed me a drug called Finasteride for my enlarged prostate. Have had this condition for 16 yrs and nothing helped for it till this med. This medication helps but when I looked it up on wikipedia it said this is an anti-androgen. So is that like taking Nolva or a SERM for 6 months after you get off your cycle? Does anyone here know what effect finasteride has on muscle building and is there special significance for bodybuilding. It also says that finasteride effects GABA which effects mood and also MUSCLE TONE! Mood I knew about, but not muscle tone. Maybe you or one of the guys can share some thoughts.
side note: I have to take 2 Benadryl (OTC allergy meds) to fall asleep at night which aggravates the prostate over time and boy this finasteride lets me pee a lot better after only 1 week on it. I hope to keep it up for at least 6 months, maybe permanantly. I will literally sleep better. Thanx!
The longest I've gone is about 14 weeks.. if I'm reading this correctly your saying you didn't gain crap from 14 weeks of sust at 500 but all the sudden at 750 you start gaining.. something sounds off man.. have you been getting blood tests? Any one should be able to gain from 500 a week unless they're rediculously large.. and the whole when is the point of no return thing completely depends on you.. your choices during pct and your genetics.
Blood work is the only way to go in this scenario. It will let you also no if your no AI choice is truly working for you. This whole thing makes me a little nervous though. I would say start pct protocol now (ie stop sust and start pct in 3 weeks), but since it doesnt sound like there is a pct I would start your taper now. Solely based on what I think your bloods will say.
All I know guys is that even in my 20's, doing enathate and deca durobolin, it took me 10 damn weeks to gain 11 punds and i was eating 260gms of protewin a day(trying to get to 300) and now that i just east 3 "clean" small protein and high fiber meals daily with barely 1-120 gms protein, im 15 punds heavier and look almost as good. Im 5'9-1/183lbs. But yes, I gotta get bloodwork. and another guy on another board saidf i should donate some blood to make room for asll those new red blood cells and platelets coming in and i might feel much much better. thats sounds good too!!!!! you guys have been aweesome. But isnt it tue thotu....HOW MANY OF US COME HERE WITH ENOUGH GEAR TO DO A 12-16 WEEK CYCLE AND SOMEHOW WE NEVER ARE DONE.....20 WEEKS LATER...."OH YEAH MAN, I JUST ADDED SOME EQUIPOISE IN. i CANT WAIT TILL THAT HITS ME. 2 MOTHS LATER...OH MAN, I GOT SOME TREN A COMING. CANT STOP NOW. l.ol
if your only gaining 11 pounds in ten weeks when running decca and test than bottem line you are not eating enough
Have you had bloods drawn so you know what your levels are?
havoc, whats the name of that place everyone always uses on this board for $59 for the female panel? And do I have to get my doctors permission/prescription. he dont know im on gear, he would ask me why. Then what?
but yeah, i definitely want to spend %59bucks and get it done.
waltrprivatemdlabs.com
it depends person to person buddy, the point of no return could be 4 weeks for one and 6 months for another, personally i would take it to 20 weeks then hit p.c.t. i will not comment on your on cycle ancillary protcol, thats your choice.
The reason I believe you are feeling tighter is due to dropping the D-bol, I am not a believer in super long cycles, that being said I am currently running EQ which is a long cycle. "Go figure" Anyways the experts are gonna say one thing while I may say another, I believe that 18 weeks would be reasonable. That being said the "if it aint broke dont fix it" method of avoiding an AI I dont agree with, But this is just my 2 cents for what that may be worth.