TEST CYP, BOLD CYP
After a hernia surgery and a long layoff, lookin to get serious again. Have had the last couple months to prep my body and get it into gear and feel like Im ready to go. Diet is on, appetite is on, water is in check, and sleep is in check. Training style is outlined below in the comment section. I posted my current routine. I train every other day, never consecutive. I am running power-pharma's injects for the first time so I'll be able to give an honest no bull review. The ancillaries are from alldaychemist. And the orals are balkan pharm.
5'9" 198 12% Current
Diet
0900 - M1 - 12oz Egg Whites, 80g Oats, 140g Frozen Berries
1130 - M2 – 8oz Chicken, 8oz Yam, Pineapple
1400 - M3 – 8oz Chicken, 8oz Yam, Pineapple
1600 – 1730 - LIFT
1800 - M5 – PWO – 75g Hydrolyzed Whey, 100g Karbolyn
2000 - M4 – 8oz Turkey, 75g White Rice, Spinach
2230 - M6 – 3 Scoops Syntha 6, 1 Banana, PB, 16oz Milk
I cheat when I want and add food most nights to the last 2 meals mainly cause I have the munchies. Eh, so what if I gain a little fat. Im still leaner than most people.
| Week | Testosterone Cypionate | Bold Cypionate | Dianabol | HCG | Arimidex | Proscar | Anadrol |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 600mg | 600mg | . | ||||
| 2 | 600mg | 600mg | 50mg/ED | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | ||
| 3 | 600mg | 600mg | 50mg/ED | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | ||
| 4 | 600mg | 600mg | 50mg/ED | 5000IU | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | |
| 5 | 600mg | 600mg | 50mg/ED | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | ||
| 6 | 600mg | 600mg | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | |||
| 7 | 600mg | 600mg | .5mg/ED | .5mg/ED | |||
| 8 | 600mg | 600mg | 5000IU | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | ||
| 9 | 600mg | 600mg | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | |||
| 10 | 600mg | 600mg | 50mg/ED | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | 50mg/ED | |
| 11 | 600mg | 600mg | 50mg/ED | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | 50mg/ED | |
| 12 | 600mg | 600mg | 50mg/ED | 5000IU | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | 50mg/ED |
| 13 | 600mg | 600mg | 50mg/ED | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | 50mg/ED | |
| 14 | 600mg | 600mg | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | |||
| 15 | 600mg | 600mg | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | |||
| 16 | 600mg | 600mg | 5000IU | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | ||
| 17 | 600mg | 600mg | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | |||
| 18 | 600mg | 600mg | 50mg/ED | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | 50mg/ED | |
| 19 | 600mg | 600mg | 50mg/ED | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | 50mg/ED | |
| 20 | 600mg | 600mg | 50mg/ED | 5000IU | .5mg/ED | 5mg/ED | 50mg/ED |
| 21 | 600mg | 600mg | 50mg/ED | .5mg/ED | 50mg/ED | ||
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RustyhookerLil bit of hardgainer. Eq definitly boosts the appetite you'll need to mass up. After cycle new eating methods or you'll lose it. Bold cyp is much faster acting. I just believe that keeping it simpke you can still attain uour goals because food makes that bulk. Test/deca/oral is reportedly the best big buljer around. Sexy mexy has a full forum on deca that's very interesting. Pure mass! Just gotta get top notch ancillaries to stop prolactin and recover. I'd go that route. Pick his brain...mass...dirty bulk and recover.
smallguyIm at around 4,000 cal a day right now and able to finish my gallon of water by the evening. For being natural and doing that on top of some rigorous training (pre cycle), I think that leaves a lot of room for me to close the gaps to some higher calorie days. The most Ive done was 5,000 consistently for a couple months. Any suggestions as to where Id be getting those extra calories on those high calorie days? Eating 4,000 clean calories gets old fast. So what could I add throughout the day to give me those extra calories on top of those 4,000 that Ill be hitting as my minimum..? ? ?
waltr1 cup of black beans + 1 cup of brown rice
RustyhookerClean eating is very hard to do. To get over that bump there's many high calorie foods. Here's a read that may help
http://www.eroids.com/forum/training-nutrition-diet/weight-gain/hardgain...
How are you planning on running your shot schedule bud?
smallguyTwice a week for now. When the more MLS come in to play, Ill switch up to mon/wed/fri night.
nolv gonna kill ur igf level, you can use proviron instead.
Run only CYP and BOLD CYp 20 weeks and dont change
smallguySounds good. The thing is, Im gonna be on for a long time so I want to keep changing the anabolics every 8-10 weeks so my body never gets adjusted to them. Could be wrong, but this will be the first real big cycle I ran so I should know in a couple months if its put together properly.
Changing your esters will have zero effect on your body adjusting to test. Test is test brother. Your cycle is jacked in my opinion. EQ needs to be run for 16 weeks minimum I know it is Cyp but the half-life is still 8-10 days. It doesn't even start to kick until week 6-7. Your running Deca which is a 19 nor and you have no caber in your profile so prolactin is gonna kill you, here come the bitch tits! Also Deca has a very long half-life and is no good in an 8 week burst let alone two 8 week burst set 8 weeks apart! What a wast of money and time. If your looking for straight mass I would do a wet stack of Test, Deca and Dbol for 16 weeks cycling the orals off and on every 4 weeks. I know you said health wasn't a concern but you do not need to be haphazard about a bulking cycle brother. Check this link out to understand how esters work.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/how-do-different-esters...
waltri've been talking to a couple guys who compete and they follow this protocol logic, 8 week blasts of different compounds.
personally i've never tried it but i do know a couple guys who run stuff like that and it works for them.
smallguyRight, and this guy who made this for me is an amateur 300lb bohemoth with abs that is pretty much the most known bodybuilder in the area where I live. Im not going to say his name for privacy reasons. But he talked about the same thing. The 8-10 week blasts with the orals 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. Dont know how it works for me but will find out soon. Like I said, Ill be keeping you guys posted.
I agree with the blitz cycle but it's all short esters. Everything he is running is long so I do not see the point. Also deca for 8 weeks is only just starting to take hold and then giving it 8 weeks to come down before jacking it back up seems pointless. I could see if it was npp but not deca. I hear what your saying Walt but I just don't see it logically on a graph if you know what I mean. Maybe tonight if I have some time I'll chart his whole cycle and post it so you can see what I mean.
smallguyThat would be greatly appreciated.
safetyfirst21I'd like to see that also.
waltri always love your input havoc, you lay it all out with the math behind it.
i'd definitely be interested to see it if you can find the time sometime in the coming weeks
StevebGuys who compete don't usually put there natty levels first.
waltri just mentioned the above because the guy said he was planning on being on for a long time
safetyfirst21A lot of pros do the cruise and blast method, but I'm pretty sure when they blast its nearly all short esters, or upping their long ester doses, then dropping back to a normal cruise.
waltrdude i was talking to said he runs EQ for 8 weeks then switches it up to Deca sometimes...
the stuff is in your system so long that the effects will still be produced after you stop taking it, it's just not going to have the build up a 16 week run would.
safetyfirst21Thats understandable I guess, but I don't see why they wouldn't use short esters.
StevebWhy are you taking Nolvadex during your cycle? And that is just the first thing I noticed wrong. What is up with all the gaps in compounds and why is Deca and Anadrol in the middle of your cycle. What is your cycle history?
smallguyMy cycle history is a couple test only cycles. And 2 test and eq cycles for a good 5 months each. I've taken orals before, but not balkans. Sad to say, but not sure if I ever responded to any oral (research chemical), so am pretty excited to try balkans orals. They seem to have a lot of good reviews. Im definitely extending this cycle. The goal with this isnt health, its mass.
safetyfirst21I was wondering all the same things. It looks like its set up wrong, or just set up inappropriately.
smallguyI got the orals going 4 weeks on, 4 weeks off. Will be getting bloods every 6 weeks. So that comes out to every 2 weeks after a 4 week oral run. If everything in my bloods come out good, Ill go ahead with the next 4 week oral blast. The nolvadex twice a week would just be to push natty test levels up at that 20mg dose.
StevebYou won't have natty levels during this cycle.
smallguySo omit the nolvadex on the weekend?
safetyfirst21Omit it during the cycle entirely. If you keep everything in check with estrogen and prolactin, you won't need it as a fail safe. It won't do anything for your natural levels while on, as you won't have any.
smallguyI didnt take an anti estro my first couple times and had no gyno effects. I just hold water when I dont take an anti estro. It doesnt seem to do anything to me that I can notice physically. But Im running adex .5mg throughout.