posted Tue, 07/02/2013 - 05:09
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+ 1 cutting down a product with to much pip with grapeseed oil
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I'm thinking about getting a 100 ml bottle of grapeseed oil but was just wondering if there was a certain method to mix or add i don't want to dilute it to much. Is it possible to use to much? Also what do you do just inject a ml in the vial and swirl it around, or is there another way? Thanks guys!
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jerkoffIs this the grapeseed oil that you inject and cut compounds with that have high pip? Usually tri blends you need to cut and I don’t know if this is the GSO that gets injected? It is in a vial so does that mean it’s injectable? I don’t wanna die or end up with issue if I am not supposed to inject this GSO? They say grapeseed oil is good for you also
let me suggest. , order gear that dosent give you pip .. like actually doing the research and getting a brand with no eo. , low ba 2% up to 15% bb. ... also what carrier oils is better for you ?? if you dont know whats in your gear.and how it effects you ..what i mentioned above is what i look for in gear. ...i actually got a order that contained 33% eo. 4 bottles of prop. and. i sent it to a friend. ... then the other brand i had had a little percent of eo. , i tryed it and was fine. ....so maybe i grew a tolorance to it. ... but bud. yes cut your gear now but. learn your body. a little. , keep logs. ect
the biggest one is DONT ORDER HIGH MG GEAR
Grapeseed oil is smooth because it is too thick! Hard to get in a 23 guauge needle, Have some strong gear with Grpaesee....may thin it with cottonseed oil.
Thick oil = more tissue damage and PIP!
Will the two oils mix together? I'm looking at doing the same thing right now
10yrs ago.....make a forum bro... @Flip515
jerkoffIs this the grapeseed oil that you inject and cut compounds with that have high pip? Usually tri blends you need to cut and I don’t know if this is the GSO that gets injected? It is in a vial so does that mean it’s injectable? I don’t wanna die or end up with issue if I am not supposed to inject this GSO? They say grapeseed oil is good for you also
I have 500mg/ml test e that killed me on my last cycle so I got GSO for this cycle. Pinned yesterday for the first time and I just drew 1/2 ml of test then 1/2 ml of GSO in the same syringe. Wasn't a big hassle and seems to be doing ok the next day. Very slight PIP but nothing compared to last time.
does that mean your final concentration for .5ml of test with .5ml of GSO is 250mg/ml then?
yes
I just bought some test 500 bc the source was out of my usual 250. I have never used 500, could you tell me a good place to get sterile grapeseed oil? Thanks
WithdrawlI like to mix it in the vial just so I don't have to keep drawing up separately. You can't add too much but you'll have to shoot more ml per injection the more you add. A 1:1 ratio always kills pip for me but you could get away with less. A 2:1 or even a 3:1 gear to oil ratio should work quite well. After I add it to the vial I just gently shake it and swirl it around.
then you would have to completely recalculate the mg/ml concentration of your new oil.
I don't like that method it sounds like it would just complicate things and throw off your dosing. Say you have 250mg/ml and you add 2ml GSO. Okay so now it's not 250mg/ml it's about 210mg/ml (that was a random estimate I didn't actually calculate it). Okay so now how do you know EACH ML is exactly 210mg? You don't because it's unlikely that the solution will be perfect 210mg per ml. You might have 240mg in one ml and 180mg in another ml, my point is it's probably not going to be evenly distributed
I say fuck gso just man up and take the pip quit being a puss
WithdrawlIt all mixes together when you shake it up. It's just simple math from there. If I have 500mg/ml test and I want to make it 250mg/ml all I do is add 5ml of oil to 5ml of the 500mg/ml test, shake it up a little, and good to go. I brew my own test and have for years. It really is very simple. All injectaable test is is the hormone powder, heated up with the carrier oil, and solvents, typically BA and BB. You just adjust the amount of oil and solvents you use based on the mg/ml you want it. Once it's in suspension without crashing, you can add oil to it to dilute if you want with no issues. It all distributes evenly together equally when mixed.
I'm worried about that too my other buddy said the same thing maybe ill just stick to my heating pad for the pip
BigBmajDude you could draw out 1ml and add .5 GSO if you were really that concerned.
WD is right the mixture would homogenize. I've seen different oils separate before but a quick shake is all it took.
Who cares if you get 205 mg one day and 211 the next? It all pans out in the end. It beats sleeping with a heating pad.
I think PIP is hard on the body. My whole body feels slightly off when I have huge painful lumps.
You are putting too much thought into this. Just cut the shit.
I'd rather have accurate dosing and a little kick, than inject MORE foreign substance into my body resulting in imbalances in dosing. But that's just me. Is it a small amount usually not worth worrying about? Most likely
I'd rather use EQ to reduce pip lol.
BigBmajWhat do you think about my theory that PIP is hard on the body? I don't know if I've read this anywhere or if I'm just thinking of it the first time. I can't imagine that having a huge sore knot is great for the body, wouldn't there be an immune reaction?
Adding a bit more GSO isn't adding anything more foreign to the body its probably already in there. I do think adding some EO is a bad idea tho.
You are already injecting stuff like tren do you think some grapeseed oil is going to toss you over the edge?
I also believe that pip is hard on the body and I also feel really drained when I have serious pip going on
BigBmajI knew I wasn't going crazy. My whole body feels like it's fighting something.
I'm sure my body is using it's resources to manage things in the PIP dept, and I want that power for building purposes.
I feel the same way when it hits me. Of course I am allergic to a lot of shit. Some gear swells me up bad. I'm talking about it looks like my delt is twice the size of the other one and I won't be able to raise my arm above my head. Some people are never affected by it. I envy them, lol
If your body is having an immune reaction you are either allergic to the solvents, or using improper injection technique.
BigBmajProp hurts the worse. And its also the one with the highest concentration of BA and BB. I know I've messed with these ratios all over the place and always had pip from prop. I do remember getting used to it a few times and not having a problem after a few weeks tho.
This current batch with ethyl oleate, BB, BA, and GSO is the worse I've come across yet. I filtered the shit twice, tried cooking the alcohol's out, heated it, changed pin sizes, added some extra GSO, no bueno.
Allergic in my case
WithdrawlBad pip can also be from the hormone crystalizing in your muscle. When the hormone comes out of suspending it is in a crystal like form. What happens to some people is their body is able to clear out the oil from their muscle just fine but not get all the hormone out with it, leaving some hormone to crystalize in your muscle. This kind of pip fucking sucks bad. I got this from some prop 250. Huge swelling, fever, and developed some bad scar tissue. I diluted it half and half with oil, making it 125mg/ml and it was completely painless from then on. I mean literally zero pip and discomfort. I was still injecting the same amount of solvents so I can rule out that it was an allergic reaction to any additives in the prop. The change was that now there's less mg per ml and my body was able to clear both the oil and the hormone out at the same time and not leave any hormone behind. It really was a night and day difference.
BigBmajMan you put a lot of energy into these boards. I'm always impressed with how helpful you are around here.
This place is lucky to have people like you.
WithdrawlAaawwww shucks
Thanks man!
Both of you are assets to the forum. Appreciate both of ya.. No homo of course ;)
Yea I had some T4 crystalize in my body and o man I was out of commish for 5 days couldn't even walk, felt very hot and didn't realize that could of been what it was. Learning something new on here everyday and loving it.. Thanks everybody for making me feel accepted into the family!
Lol I don't get pip. Ever. Maybe if I inject high dose sustanon 3ml straight into my glute it will be sore for a day but doesn't hurt any worse than a minor bruise and that only lasts a day or 2 at most. So if you call that pip then adding GSO is pointless.
How is "pip" hard on the body? Maybe you aren't injecting deep enough if you are getting lumps. Me I use a 1 inch on delts chest biceps and I go all the way in and I also have very low fat so it's definitely getting in there.
I also don't ever heat my oils. Another thing I noticed with people who get pip is they often draw oils with an 18G needle then switch to a 23/25G. Me I draw with a 23 then switch and inject with another 23. I noticed a pattern that people who draw with a thicker needle are usually the ones who have pip.
BigBmajI don't know maybe 1 ml of 200 mg/ml prop with a slin pin isn't a great idea then?
That's what got me last time.
I think EO is hard on me too. I'm experimenting. I think I've got it figured out.
I've never had issues with high dose prop in slin pins, but that was in triceps or calves. Where there's no fat just skin then muscle. I wouldn't use a slin pin in any other areas because it won't get deep enough.
Is this your first injectable cycle?
Usually new spots will have some pain they call it virgin muscle. The pain is temporary and as your body gets used to it the injections will no longer become painful.
No not my first. Just the first time pinning my delts I always told myself I wouldn't cause I figured it would put me out of comission but to pin EOD I got give my glutes a break lol I have very fair skin so you can see the bruises on my ass cheeks. Gets my girl pissed because she don't know what im running exactly
What Withdrawl said works for me.
Yea, that's how I was thinking about doing it to I don't want to really have to draw up from another bottle during my pin session. So with a 10 ml vial add about 4 Ml GSO? Or will 1 Ml do the job Thanks dude!
Too many variables to know whether 1ml or 4ml GSO will work for you. Some people don't need it. Some can get by with a little bit and others need a lot. You'll hafta figure that out on your own brother. Errrbody different
Thanks man much appreciated i'm not the greatest with chemistry, but you guys did clear a lot up for me thanks again.
No prob man. There are a lot of knowledgable people on here that'll be glad to help you out anytime
O dam I thought that would be too much. And that is safe lol to put that much
I always just mix it in the syringe.
About a 1/4 ML?
If I'm pinning a cc of gear I'd add a cc of GSO