Short esters for a bulk
Ok bros, since I've been here I've caught a major case of AASitis. I think about esters, AI's, pct, pins, HG vs ugl, etc constantly. So while I'm going to put this plan into action it won't be for quite a while. I have my second cycle laid out (long run), but now my thoughts have moved onto what's after a long EQ run. How bout a quick 8 weeker? So I perform my due diligence and research, research, research. What do I come up with? Idiots elsewhere on the ol interwebs telling me shorts are only for cutters. I could type til I was blue in the fingers about diet being the key, but to no avail, I gave up. So here I am (where I should have started in the first place), to propose this to some more reasonable bros. Again, this is gonna be a ways off so don't come at me like a dick, there's plenty of time to educate me and talk it out.
So I've been thinking about trying out a 19 nor for the first time. NPP looks like a promising option. Obviously I'll run some test p with it. Would an oral kickstart be beneficial? I know with long esters I've been told to kickstart with test p or an oral, but I didn't need both. Well, if I'm already running test p wouldn't the oral be unnecessary? Or would it help make this a more successful bulk? I know diet is key so I will be eating like its a bulker. I eat lots of clean food, but I'm mr super ectomorph, so I don't have problems eating a little bit of crap. My main thing is I just have to eat, good or bad food doesn't make a difference, if I'm active I don't put on fat. I would probably go with prami due to price, I prefer aromasin, and I will run the aro pct (thanks for pointing me this way rusty). I know people usually use a 2:1 ratio test:deca, is it the same with test:NPP? What's a good dose to get my feet wet? For example we all recommend everyone start test at 500mg/week, where should I be with NPP? I will be pinning EOD. Thanks brothers.
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yes, that is the beauty of running npp, if you get into micheif you can just cease usage and continue the test!! I would honestly still go for the usuall 2-1 ratio, - 200mgs of test prop eod! and 100mgs of the npp eod, or similar depending on what dosage you prefer, you will get killa pip from the npp so I wouldn't personally mix it in the same barrel with the prop just for that reason!!! also the shorter the cycle the better!! as it is a lot of pinning, don't want to get scar tissue or any other shit going on, I fkd my delts with test prop pinning them to much, I literally cant pin them now without being in extreme pain for like 5 days!!! so just be aware bro,
This is hands down the best thread ive read on short cycling. It seems that a critical factor is the pre cycle prime(carb cycling) that makes your body highly reactive to a short burst cycle.
Also I think the 2-1 ratio is outdated. Ive had no issues running 1-1 ratios but everyone reacts differently. Caber is worth the extra coin imo.
Oral on a short ester cycle isnt a kickstart imo, just a stack.
http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-steroids-questions-answers/345944-sho...
After many years on i started running short estered short cycles.
You can't beat them IMO, easier recovery for one thing, no adrenal or CNS burnout for another and you can really go crazy for 8wks rather than try and keep the motiviation up on the 15+ weekers.
My faves are:
simple first.
test prop 200mg EOD, anavar 150mg, both for 8wks.
Test prop, tren ace 8wks
test prop, NPP and 100mg var 8wks
Or a blend like one rip or rip blend with some added test prop.
Why not try test prop 150mg EOD and NPP 100mg EOD. 8wks and really hit it.
Aren't you supposed to drop npp 2 weeks before test
No. Thats nandrolone decanoate, NPP doesnt have a decanoate ester it has a phenylpropionate ester so it will clear a day or two after the test propionate clears, ideal start time for PCT would be around 4-5 days after last pin.
Yeah only going 8 weeks would be a big plus. I gotta say I was a little burnt by the end of my first cycle, and that was only 14 weeks. I see bros going up to 20 but most(not all) seem to be TRT guys that aren't concerned about shutdown. I'm gonna go 17 weeks on my second cycle, but the idea of running several cycles per year, as opposed to 1-2 seems appealing. I like the idea of taking that pressure off of myself after 6-8 weeks. I can mentally recharge and start up again quickly. That prop/npp/var looks good but, var kills my BP. I might go that route with low dose var cuz I love the strength it gives.
scorpion2bravoYour right with the diet part. If your not eating right you wont grow. Plain and simple. Short esters for bulk sounds good, im actually going that route this cycle....
What does your layout look like?
Short esters only for bulk? LOL. Some people.. I have got buddies who bulk to Test Suspension injected twice a day along with anadrol or dianabol. They are f'in huge. And the gains on such a cycle are unreal.
Anyways you are right, esters don't matter here. It's the compound and the diet. 100mg EOD is a good starting dose for NPP. Along with 150-200mg EOD Prop, no preset number here gotta know what works for you best.
Suspension? That's dedication right there! Thanks for the input.