posted Mon, 06/24/2013 - 14:59
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Experimental Cycle: Test E/Prop, EQ, Deca, Tren, Anavar
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
When I started: 5"11 209lbs 26yo This is my 4th cycle. I began May 4th. I waited 6 months between cycles.
The first 8 weeks my diet is calorie restricted, eating around 2,500 calories daily. I usually eat between 3,500-4,000 just casually.
After week 8, my appetite increased slightly, and I've been making a conscious effort to eat more consistently to at least maintenance. I'm hoping, with increased cardio, the last eight weeks will help me trim about 3-5% bf off.
My pics are all taken cold, in the evening.
| Week | Testosterone Enanthate/ Propinate | Deca Durabolin | Boldenone Undecylenate | Trenbolone Acetate | Anavar | HCG | Clomid | Letrozole | Caber |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 400mg EW | 300mg EW | 300mg EW | As needed | As needed | ||||
| 2 | 400mg | 300mg | 300mg | ||||||
| 3 | 400mg | 300mg | 300mg | ||||||
| 4 | 400mg | 300mg | 300mg | ||||||
| 5 | 400mg | 300mg | 300mg | ||||||
| 6 | 400mg | 300mg | 300mg | ||||||
| 7 | 400mg | 300mg | 300mg | ||||||
| 8 | 800mg | 600mg | 600mg | ||||||
| 9 | 800mg | 600mg | 600mg | 75mg EOD | 60mg ED | ||||
| 10 | 800mg | 600mg | 600mg | 75mg EOD | 60mg ED | ||||
| 11 | 800mg | 600mg | 600mg | 100mg EOD | 60mg ED | ||||
| 12 | 800mg | 600mg | 600mg | 100mg EOD | 60mg ED | ||||
| 13 | 800mg | 600mg | 600mg | 100mg EOD | 60mg ED | 500iu E3D | .25 E3D | ||
| 14 | 800mg | 600mg | 600mg | 100mg EOD | 60mg ED | 500iu E3D | .25 E3D | ||
| 15 | 100mg EOD | 60mg ED | 500iu E3D | .25 E3D | |||||
| 16 | 100mg EOD | 60mg ED | 500iu E3D | .25 E3D | |||||
| 17 | 1000iu EOD | .25 E3D | |||||||
| 18 | 1000iu EOD | .25 E3D | |||||||
| 19 | 1000iu EOD | 100mgED | As needed | ||||||
| 20 | 75mgED | ||||||||
| 21 | 50mgED | ||||||||
| 22 | 50mgED |
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Great cycle my friend,but I will add T3 for the last six weeks cuz it work great with tern. I will add also hgh to help reduce bdy fat and help with recovery.Good luck my friend.
safetyfirst21t3 would be a good idea. Tren slows the thyroid. 20-30mcg ed should suffice (10 hour half-life, so split doses accordingly). HGH is always nice, Tren increases IGF-1 like HGH. However, HGH does a much better job. The IGF increase can make an argument that Tren is good for the tendons, as IGF plays a role in collagen synthesis. I'm sure any Tren/HGH user will say H does a much better job. The choice is yours on this one.
Very interesting! I'll have to save up to make the HGH investment lol. I should probably check out T3....
be careful when altering the chemistry and natural processes of the thyroid. i know the logic seems appropriate to supplement during a tren cycle, but i can't express this enough:
DO NOT supplement T3 or T4 unless you have confirmed suppression thru blood work.
the last thing you want is for negative feedback to cause a permanent suppression, leaving you dependent on TSH supplementation.
safetyfirst21This is true.
safetyfirst21Look into peptides also, much cheaper. GHRP's, GHRH's, CJC's, IGF's.
Why not run Test E 400 mg eq 600 mg tren E 600 mg and mast E 400 mg All 14 weeks b6 400 mg ed.
I'm pretty wary of Tren. I already notice an increase in anxiety, something I've always coped with. Running a cycle of Test helps tremendously for my anxiety.. It's weird. But this Tren I'm running isn't helping. Not even a week in and I can sense a change in metabolism, energy, and a persistent anxiety/ uneasiness. We'll see if it subsides. I may just not be getting enough sleep. Also possibly due to Tren. I have been falling asleep late and waking up at the crack of dawn wide awake. That being said, sticking with Ace for now until I get comfortable. And then I'll think about increasing the dose.
Never done Mast E. Never popped on my radar as something worthwhile... for no reason other than my lack of exposure to it. Willing to try in future cycles.
What's B6 do for you? And why every day?
Tren a needs to be injected ED it makes a huge difference and when I run tren I run a low test dose like around 300 mg a week. B6 at that dose will act as a prolactin inhibitor. As far as mast I love that shit. It is not a powerful steroid but it does so much it prevents estro conversion so I don't have to use much ai it helps prevent water retention makes you feel great and gives you energy. It will also make all the other steroids perform better its just a great compound.
safetyfirst21Masteron will help increase free Test also. B6 is reportedly good in the aid of prolactin, though, at high doses has been shown to cause nerve damage.
Oh and its a great finisher similar to winny.
I'm thinking I don't understand the goals of this cycle. Is this basically two cycles in one.. Or two blasts put together for a gigantic blast? And is that var working for you at all at that dose....? Can you even tell? I'm honestly interested in your experience. I do love challenging the norm... Please keep me informed... And I wish you the best of luck here in what you're attempting.
I'm also interested, and I'll keep you posted. My goal is to cut without losing any muscle. My caloric intake fluctuates from a few days high cal, a few days low cal. I do HIT cardio about three times a week for about 45 min. I've only been on var for 4 days, so I have no idea. From a medical article I've read, it has a particular affinity to specifically burn/target midsection fat. I've pinned the Tren twice, and I'd like to keep that dosage low until I can recognize the effects/ sides. My midsection is getting tighter every day, although I don't do much ab work. Most of my routine in powerlifting/ strength training, with high sets, low reps, heavy weight and explosive form. I'm switching to higher reps this week, more super sets, etc.
I started at 207 and my weight hasn't varied too much, with a high of 210, and a low of 205. My bodyfat has definitely decreased. My size and strength have also increased, albeit not dramatically, and no where near my last cycle. My diet is my lifestyle. I've never eaten garbage. I'm not a fan of carbs, unless they're sweet potatoes. Mostly protein and veggies and fat.
Honestly, I just increased the dosages last week. I don't expect to see/ feel anything drastic for another four weeks. But I will keep the updates coming. Cheers.
Okay... I do understand your goals now. That's not very unrealistic with this at all. Once you ramp up the tren I would think the gains will be much more dramatic. This is a huge cycle and lots of compounds. Good luck with it and just be reasonable and safe. Listen to your body if/when it starts to tell you something. Bloods are always a huge help.
Keep us informed. As I said I like hearing about challenging the norm .... And it working out for you.
Good luck. Be safe.
Im using eq an deca together with good results early on yes they are different and i plan on dropping deca at 12 and eq at 18 have heard nasty shit about running deca with tren but never tried it i am also running proviron and caber throughout hate when people knock deca eq with no expirience but be carful with that tren i always think slow and steady one reason i keep gains plus having diet down before using aas. 5'7" 197# now after cut. 13 months since last cycle only 2 weeks into test eq deca this go around
But yes im using these to bulk
But yes im using these to bulk
Sorry but this looks like a mess. If you want an advanced compound cycle for cutting here's what you need.
Test and Tren ONLY. Hit 50mg tren ace each day with 200-400mg test/wk. Run that for 10-12 weeks.
You don't need deca or EQ for a cut. The var is fine. Again drop all the shit and stick with tren because that's all you need. Lower test dose. Also use an AI and caber at 0.25mg every 3 days.
Not saying you're wrong, but I like how everyone that gives me advice is younger than me, has a shittier physique than me, has been lifting fewer years than me, or has zero pictures of themselves. I'm waiting for some big motherfucking veteran boss to enlighten me. Not saying that'll completely change my approach, but I'll be much more receptive than taking advice from amateurs who have been lifting a few years and pinned the majority of their time in the weight room.
lol i have almost exact same stats as you - 6ft 216 and 12% I looked at your pic and we look very much alike. Considering that you are basically insulting yourself then because I've achieved this physique with 1/3 as much gear as you and not nearly as much time that it took me. But whatever bro criticize me I don't care.
I was recommending tren because it's the most powerful injectable available. Deca causes bloat, and eq causes appetite increase which will make cutting difficult. If muscle preservation is your goal, I'd say go to primobolan at 400-600 (or more) mg per week. Primo is the most effective steroid in terms of muscle preservation on restricted calories. Tren is close though.
Regarding physique, agree to disagree.
I would've gone with Primo in a heartbeat, but the supplier I like to use has been out for months, and I got tired of waiting, so I went with Tren. I had extra Deca laying around, and I really like being on Deca. I never tried EQ, but I heard the vascularity and hardness it produces are stellar, apetite aside. Plus, I'm on the road for work, and sometimes I need to force myself to eat more regularly, so I decided to try it. So yea. Next time I'd like to do a Test, Dbol, Primo cycle. Cheers!
Oh I'm sorry are you a pro? Are you a physique or bb competitor? Cause looking through your photos I can see you are def not. You are an average joe that seems to have a better than thou attitude who is gonna wind up with lactating bitch tits and an empty ballsack because you were too hard headed.
Do it your way boss, throw another compound in there while you're at it ;)
Hey, thanks so much for your input. Now I'd appreciate it if you trolled somewhere else.
safetyfirst21I get this statement. Though, honestly, the super dudes don't chime in too often on these things. Info is still nice to hear from everyone. Unless one can validly negate it, one shouldn't disregard it. Though I don't fully understand why you're setting it up this way, it's your run. We're here to help, if you don't want to take it, that's up to you. I wish you luck with the run.
Thank you!
safetyfirst21Prolactin issues x2? Estrogen issues? Test v.s. Tren androgen receptors battle? PCT? Half way thru? A bit too experimental for me. I'll try two 19's at once eventually, but I'll for sure have a hefty dose of Prami or Caber. Why are you back loading the long ester's and not front? This is all a bit confusing to say the least. Aside from these main issues I'd start the Var two weeks later and bridge on that 'til PCT starts, maybe the Tren a week later also. The acetate ester will clear quick, 75 eod doesn't cause a huge build in blood levels so your test will still be dominant. I don't think you'll be cleared out in time for your PCT as shown time frame wise, I'd wait at least a 1/2 week or more before starting. Undecylenate is a very long ester, it will take a while to clear, this Test dose will also cause a large build up blood level wise. Your levels will still be high enough to suppress your own Test production. This will in turn make your "PCT" useless, which is almost already is. I hope your PCT is a typo.
Is it weird that I was running like 500mg/ml of Test EOD and 300mg/ml of Deca EOD on my last cycle, and I didn't take a single AI on my cycle, and ran a normal PCT with no HCG, and had my levels taken 4 months later and all was normal? The only side was acne. No gyno. Not once. I'd honestly like to hear an explanation. From someone. Are some people more prone than others?
safetyfirst21Yes it is. I'd be careful here, you're playing with fire doing shit like that. You could be special, or you may have just gotten very lucky. You can get really fucked up doing stuff like that. There have been 3 death, that I know about, by people doing something similar. This guy is one of them:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/test-tren-eq-c...
Read the comments, people talk about others. There's the one posted above, one in Australia, and one in Thailand.
Well, that guy died 16 days into a pretty tame cycle. So I doubt the COD was anything related to what he was purportedly taking. Who knows what else he was on. GHB? I'm not messing with HGH or insulin or peptides, so that's good. Yes, people die. Correlations abound. Preexisting congenital factors should be considered. I am not totally out of my mind. I understand the risks. I will not die on this cycle. They did crazier back in the day, with no PCT and the works. Worst case scenario I have a reaction or mess up my axis and need serious hormone therapy. I'm on the lookout for that. And I appreciate your concern. I really do. I'll post my bloods in the next week or two. Thanks!
I dont understand the redundancy with Bold and deca...
WHats weird is that your doing experiment with out a proper PCT
What about bloodworks? or how about some CAber on hand?
I suggest get a prolactin test asap if your really running bold,deca,tren