posted Wed, 05/15/2013 - 06:42
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+ 3 Rips from Mutagenic.co - Dead ON Target
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More confirmation that Muta's Rips are the real deal. This IGF-1 blood test was drawn after a bit over a month @ 4 IU/day 6 on/1 off protocol. The draw was done on the morning of the day off during the 8 to 9 a.m. window. The product is very consistent... Enough so that I was able to hit my target IGF-1 of 325 to 375 with only one adjustment.
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AnonHow long between your last pin and the test did you take this?
I am going for a test and have seen quite a few different takes on what to do,
Pin 10IU 3.5 hrs before, etc, etc.
Appreciate any info on what your schedule was.
Hey Activ, excellent question... This is a somewhat controversial topic but here is my take on it. There are basically two categories of protocols for testing:
The first category is used primarily to determine if the HGH is legit. This is more qualitative than quantitative. The protocol you mention above belongs in this category. Pinning 10 IU in delt 3.5 hours before blood draw to confirm that what you injected was really HGH. You will see a lot of quotes of GH levels that supposedly indicate the strength of the HGH but the problem I have with relying on this type of test to determine strength (quantitative) is that the half life of GH is super short and a short deviation in time, absorption rate, hydration, etc. can cause fairly large variations in the reading - Making it less reliable for that purpose. None of those variations will change the reading enough to introduce any doubt about the legitimacy of the HGH. You will either see a bump in GH or not (qualitative).
The second category is used to definitively assess the strength of the HGH (quantitative). This category of protocols basically allows a long enough time at a stable dose for the body to reach homeostasis and then take a blood sample for determining IGF-1 levels. IGF-1 is one of the growth factors that is produced in the liver in response to an increase in AVERAGE GH levels. Because IGF-1 has a much longer half life than GH, the level is much more stable and timing is not as critical in measurement. Another factor to consider is that most anti-aging doctors and researchers use this method so most of the literature refers to IGF-1 levels when discussing the use of HGH.
My specific protocol: I use a protocol that falls in the second category. In my experience, I have seen IGF-1 levels continue to change for up to a couple of weeks after starting or changing dosage of HGH. So when I want to compare strengths of HGH or estimate target dosage, I start with my standard dosing protocol (6 days on/1 off per week - splint dosing of 1/2 at bedtime and 1/2 upon rising) and continue that protocol for at least 4 weeks. The actual initial dose depends on the client's age and is based on my experience but 2 IU/day is fairly common. I usually schedule the day off to be the Sunday night and Monday morning injections and I do the blood draw between 8:00 and 9:00 a.m. on Monday after at least 4 weeks. So to specifically answer your question, at the time of my blood draw, it had been from my Saturday morning injection - Approximately 48 hours. I like testing after this "time off" period because it further limits that possibility that I draw the blood during a temporary spike in IGF-1 caused by a recent injection.
In my experience, this protocol works very well and produces consistent results. I can almost always nail a target IGF-1 level with only one adjustment of dosage. For an actual example, check out my post on our open eroids anti-aging group at: http://www.eroids.com/og/anti-aging/an-example-of-extrapolating-hgh-targ...
I hope that answers your question. Thanks for your participation and interest.
AnonThanks man,
I am going to try the 10IU test (first), wanna see how this all works before I do additional testing,
I greatly appreciate your time explaining it though. Thanks a bunch.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkHappy to help... That's why we're all here! ;-)
AnonIt says I need to fast 10-12 hrs. that normal protocol for HGH testing?
I don't know for HGH but there is no need to fast for IGF-1. What lab are u looking at?
No need to fast. Fasting is for when your testing natural HGH levels. You adding HGH to your body so no need to fast. It's the same as Pathtaker is telling you for IGF-1 no need to fast.
AnonIts from directlabs.com HGH test
It's their instructions, so I assume its correct, just wanted to see if anyone else had to do the same, since I never read anyone fasting. (they may have just left that out)
Thanks again Pathtaker
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkCould very well be... I've never bothered with a direct serum HGH test because I seem to always be looking for dosing comparisons.
So the Muta rips checked out did they? ;)
BTW... How are you feeling and are you any closer to getting some testing done?
I have some doctor tests I did this morning I want to see what they tested for first then get additional testing if that makes sense
Sure... Makes a lot of sense. Staying alive is expensive enough without being inefficient! How about the bronchitis?
A little better to tell you the truth I am wondering if I did not get a common cold at about the same time as the bronchitis because the lungs cleared nicely with antibiotics but all the remaining symptoms are those of the common cold.. LOL I'll shake it and then back to the gym on Monday at the latest. Thanks for asking
Good to hear. There are two items on my suggested supplement regimen that would go a long way toward keeping you from getting any upper respiratory infections including viruses like colds and the flu. Vitamin D3 is actually not a vitamin but a hormone and optimal levels (I recommend 70 to 100 ng/mL) stimulate and fine tune your immune system. Current estimates are that optimal levels of D3 would have such an effect on the immune system that 77% of ALL cancers and 90% of breast cancers would be eliminated. It is critical that you balance the D3 with K2 in the MK7 form though. K2 controls calcium (more is absorbed because of the D3) and keeps it out of the soft tissues (arteries, brain, etc.) and in the bones where it belongs. Bingo, you also just prevented osteoporosis as a byproduct of supplementing with both!
I get my D3 from Sam's. A year's supply is less than $20. The best source I've found for the K2 (MK7) is VitaCost.com. Use discount code UH992. (see my post at: http://www.eroids.com/og/anti-aging/discount-code-for-supplements-from-v... ) You need to take 10,000 IU/day of D3 to start and 10 of the 100 mcg K2 capsules per day. My suggested regimen shows taking 8 per day but that is because there is another 200 mcg in the Life Extension Booster. Check it all out and let me know if you have any questions. BTW... K2 (MK7) will go a long way in reducing any calcium plaques in your arteries in a short time. Research shows a 50% reduction in 6 weeks. Here is the link at VitaCost for the K2: http://www.vitacost.com/vitacost-vitamin-k2-mk-7-with-nattokinase-100-mc...
Path...
I tend to be prone to respiratory infections. Quite easily I think. On fact I've had pneumonia twice in the last 10 years ong with bronchitis a few good times. Seems every cold I get turns into a seriously debilitating issue. If you could give me some guidance or advice I'd appreciate this greatly. At this point I'm left with using a ventolin inhaler and a corticosteroid inhaler as well... Which I don't use at all. PM so we don't clog up this thread. Thank you as always!
FinMan
I'll send a PM.
Sweet now I have a friend in the Dia I mean life extension business... LOL
It's a war man... Gotta stick together!
Like I had any doubts about our Muta? ;-) This is the second time I've posted confirmation of his Rips... I just hope he keeps them in his stable. We need more sources like him!
Nice numbers pathtaker. Glad to see you hit your target with the new Rips. What's the batch number on these or do you know??? +1 for posting labs
Thanks, Mega for the +1 - I Didn't get any batch numbers or labels with these. They were from Muta and he's been having shit loads of trouble getting Rips through customs from his supplier. I suspect the lack of labels was another way to get them through. Either way, I trust Muta explicitly and the tests bear that out. Sorry I can't help with batches to verify others though.
Have you checked out our new eroids anti-aging group yet?
I just posted an article with pics of lab tests on how to adjust your HGH dosage to hit a target IGF-1 level. The post is on our new eroids anti-aging group at: http://www.eroids.com/og/anti-aging/an-example-of-extrapolating-hgh-targ...
waltrif i were you i'd edit the part where it says the lab you went to for you're own safety.
just that bit of information could come back to haunt you.
the internet is not a safe place =(
Hey waltr, I appreciate your looking out for me. The addresses on the form only indicate where the Life Extension Foundation (LEF) and LabCorp are located. I ordered the test from LEF so it shows their address and once collected, LabCorp sent the specimen to their processing lab. The test shows that address but nothing points to my location or any other identifiers so it should all be good. Thanks for your thoughtfulness! I appreciate it very much.
waltroh my bad then, i just saw the lab and figured that's the location you went to ;P
No bad at all... Glad to have someone keeping an eye out! Thanks again.