+ 26 Head-to-Head VIPS vs. RIPS Comparison - IGF-1 LabCorp results after 1 month on each
Test Protocol:
For this test, I used 1 ml Hydroxocobalamin (from Germany) to reconstitute the 10 IU vials of HGH. Hydroxocobalamin is a bio-identical form of injectable vitamin b-12. The concentration used was 500 mcg b-12 per ml.
I ran RIPS at 4 IU/day in divided doses (2 IU at bedtime & 2 IU upon waking) on a 6 days/week schedule (skipping the Sunday night/Monday morning injections) for a 1 month duration. I tested my IGF-1 serum level with the blood draw on Monday morning between 8:00 and 9:00 AM. This day was chosen because it was during the day off from injections and should be the most stable and lowest reading of the week.
I then switched to VIPS for another month at the same dosage and schedule. I again tested my IGF-1 serum level on Monday morning between 8:00 and 9:00 AM in the same manner and at the same lab.
Results:
My IGF-1 level after 1 month on the RIPS was 362 ng/mL and after 1 month on the VIPS dropped to 315 ng/mL.
Interpretation:
While there is a small margin of error based on possibly fluctuating IGF-1 levels, the indication of this test is that there may be a 15% better response to using RIPS versus VIPS. However, considering the fact that VIPS are priced more than 15% below the price of RIPS, VIPS win hands down in this comparison when considering bang for the buck. Even though it may be necessary to increase my VIP dosage from 4 IU/day to about 4.6 IU/day to achieve the equivalent IGF-1 level achieved on RIPS, the cost of treatment per month would still be significantly less.
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AnonNever tried vips.....it would be nice to.compare mass specs of the two
WithdrawlYou'd like them man. Saw great results running them for 2 months. On par with the rips I switched to to compare.
DOUBLE G 67SCROLL THROUGH THE LABS...THE RIPS COME BACK HIGHER IN BLOODS BUT MY VIPS CAME BACK HIGHER IN PURITY...OUR MAN BEAKER IS ON THE CASE!!
I've never ran tests on your VIPs but I ordered 200 ius a few months back and I love them. Started at 2iu five days a week, starting losing bf. Then jumped up to 3iu five days a week about a month later. Starting to get nice lean gains and stronger than I've ever been. Bf is way down and my diet is only about 70% on.
Also running test prop and npp at 200mg x three days weekly.
Great stuff G, will actually be ordering more very soon bro.
DOUBLE G 67EVERYONE LOVES THEM BRO..TESTS ARE GREAT,BUT EVERYONE WHO HAS RUN GH REGULARLY KNOWS OUR VIPS ARE WORLD CLASS..FOR A DOMESTIC SOURCE MAKING HIS OWN GH,NEVER MIND GREAT GH,SHOULD TELL EVERYONE HOW MUCH PASSION AND DRIVE WE HAVE FOR THIS GAME..FOR THE 5 OR 6 OUT OF OVER 10,000 CUSTOMERS WHO THINK WE ARE THEIVES OR ARE TOO IMPATIENT TO WAIT FOR GEAR....FUCK YOU
This is the type of stuff I like to see from a source.... I got shamed with that whole Performance Formulations bullcrap with their GH.... 750ius in the trash... Awesome!
Gonna need to get new GH.... I think I know were ill be going.
DOUBLE G 67HELL YEAH BRO..AND I STAND BEHIND MY VIPS 100%..I SELL RIPS TOO!
It may have something to do with the exact sequence. There are some small differences that could account for different effects and that would be independent of purity.
nice test brother
DOUBLE G 67WELL THE BEST NEWS FOR ME IS I SELL RIPS AND MAKE THE VIPS...NOW THAT I ADDED THE PHARMAGRADE NORDIPENS TO MY ARSENAL....I AM DEFINITELY THE KING OF THE GH GAME!! WOOT!
THANKS FOR YOUR GOOD WORK PATHTAKER
Hey GG, My pleasure... Thanks for the great products and service - Muchly appreciated!
Many thanks to all of you for the Karma and kind words... Especially the kind words!
Hate to think where we would be without eroids, huh?
As always Pathtaker nice explanation +1
Steveb+1 nice post
I'll stick with Pharma grade.
Nice test tho. +1
Sure... Rub it in! lol
Nice Work Pal! +1 Both the VIPs & Rips impressively boosted your IGF levels considering your age. If I'm not mistaken... levels around 350ng/ml +/- are at the high end of target levels for a typical anti-aging protocol. Looks like you damn near hit the bulls eye.
Do you mind telling us your baseline prior to HGH use?
I also cannot wait to see your results with the Hyges!
Well done.
Thanks! My baseline IGF-1 was 123 ng/mL. The baseline lab, an interim, and final lab are posted in this discussion: http://www.eroids.com/og/anti-aging/an-example-of-extrapolating-hgh-targ...
You can see my Recommended Lab References here: http://www.eroids.com/og/anti-aging/optimal-blood-test-reference-range-c...
On the RIPS, I got 60 ng/mL increase per 1 IU/day on the same 6 days/week protocol. My wife got closer to 75 ng/mL increase per IU. She is just a baby though (54)!
Wow. Excellent write ups and references. Much appreciated!!
Are any of your peers using pharma grade? Have they reported similar IGF increases at comparable doses? We have yet to have a head to head showdown.
Albeit the mg vs mg per international unit and gh sequence (slightly) may differ when comparing Rips to something like Norditropin, I am still very interested to see what the body's response is in terms of IGF secretion when comparing the two.
I see folks spreading the gospel of Pharma grade and I appreciate their stance. Considering the obvious factors: higher purity, tighter controls, assurance since its made by big pharma... something I agree with 100%.
But I still remain skeptical when allegations are made that the chinese are using peptides mimicking GH response/IGF , Anti-diuretics, and other unknown elements to produce the sides of real HGH... Sometimes to the point of hysterics Eroids is not the first place that these claims have been made, its not some new found "revelation"... Through the years I've seen others make these same clains, on other boards notably from certifiable nuts like GH15 and Marcus300. But never has anyone provided ANY proof. When the MSA shows real HGH, claims are made its inactive, when blood results show real GH they again claim its inactive, when elevated IGF levels are presented they claim its peptides and/or some magical concoction made by the chinese (real gh/petide combo). When sides are cited, they claim anti-diuretics, preservatives, etc etc... Refusing any real data presenting to them and rebutting with something they most likely pulled out of their ass. While some of you refuse to believe MSAs and serums, I respectfully refuse to believe claims solely based on anecdotal data.. with all that said... I'm still looking to run some more pharma in the future. And I am not making a pitch for Chinese GH. But I'm kind of sick of the sheep around here.
Marcus300's favorite response is that he knows "someone" who work/worked in china and he got the inside scoop on what they put in chinese gh... yet to this day has never presented any proof. Well my cousin's brother's girlfriend works for riptropin and she told me everything is up to snuff, its real rDNA HGH... (sarcasm)
(sorry to hijack your post with my rant, i had to get this off my chest)
Not a problem killroy! i turn 65 in October and at my age rants are part of daily life! lol
Like you said, I don't like relying on anecdotal evidence and because I am very aware that each person reacts to HGH differently, I prefer to see lab results from ONE person under controlled conditions before I will trust comparisons of different products. I would LOVE to splurge and buy a 100 IU kit of pharma and put it through the same protocol to finally get that head-to-head comparison but I am retired, on a fixed income, doing all pro bono anti-aging coaching and simply can't afford the cost of pharma HGH - Not to mention the cost of all the tests.
Bro-science scares the crap out of me! You can find a post backing up just about any kind of screwball idea. There seems to be an unexamined presupposition that if it is written, it must be true! In fact the word "authority" comes from "author"... So, if someone writes something, they automatically become an authority whether they know what they are talking about or not!
At least eroids puts it all together for us as a clearinghouse of information... We still have to be discerning about what we read.
Told you about rants! lol
Thanks for all your comments.
AnonWow....in the game at 65......you got my respect bro.....+2
Thanks MONSTAR! It's a LOT better than the alternative! :-)
X2!!!
nice experiment! +1
+1, excellent post!
Anon+1 brother. i plan on doing something like this as well. i want to do a comparison between pharma and hyges. for my own personal satisfaction i would really like to see how much better pharma is. i know the pharma will win the battle as far as purity and potency ,but as far as cost effectiveness goes we will see.if hyges are worth it. Similar to how you compared vips to rips. I really like what you did here. I wish i could give you more then a +1 for this because you def deserve it.
Awesome! I am chomping at the bit to see a head-to-head between pharma and a known like RIPS, VIPS, or HYGES. Please be sure to give me a heads-up when you post the results!
One suggestion... Consider the test dosage carefully, don't start with a level that might be too high for the pharm phase of the test even though pharm sides are not as likely to be a problem.
AnonI get sides from pharma too, i think a lot of people say they dont get sides cuz they start slow and ramp up real slow but with generics they go full force and jump up high and get sides. I was going to do both at 3ius a day. 3ius a day is my sweet spot for pharma.Hyges i like it at 4ius a day. but for the comparison i will do them both at 3ius.
Sounds like a solid plan. When do you think you will start?
AnonI have some hgh coming in from a new source on here. I took the plunge and decided to order some jins with serial codes that supposedly check out on the official website. I also ordered some hyges. So I will test both of those and start it a few weeks after that.
Looking forward to your posts!
+1 very nice
Great job. Plus one.
Here's a study I found that might help pinpoint the correct time to test igf levels.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/hgh-peptides/rhgh/a-lot-of-debate-regarding-...
+1 by the way.
Thanks for posting the study link.
The study does a good job of pinpointing the best time to test serum HGH levels after a single sub-cutaneous injection. However, its implications for IGF-1 are another matter. Although they did not show the data, they mentioned in their description of the study that the IGF-1 level was still increasing at 36 hours. The length of the study was too short to ascertain when the IGF-1 would reach homeostasis. Optimal testing of IGF-1 was beyond the scope of this study.
I chose the 1 month time frame of my protocol based on experience and recommendations from some of the pioneering docs in the field of HGH therapy. Most of the literature recommends 1 month since a stable IGF-1 level is likely to be reached in about 3 weeks or a little less. I have seen IGF-1 serum levels still increasing at the 2 week point but have not seen any further change at 1 month or beyond.
BillLumberghnice test..
Very nicely done sir! Now I wonder what 2iu of nor pens for a month would do to igf-1? To see if actually going on small amounts of pharm is worth it.
Excellent question! And some day I may have enough money to give that a try. But, for now, I just switched to HYGES and am repeating this test! Stay tuned!
My experience with clients (I'm an anti-aging coach - retired) on pharm HGH is that a much lower dose is required but my gut feeling (having done no head-to-head tests on pharma), is that half as much might be in the ballpark. Still, pharma is MUCH more than double these underground prices. The only benefit I could imagine would be a reduction in sides and maybe a lower risk of contamination of some sort.
Ya I would looove to run not pens at 3iu a day but as you stated much much too expensive! That would be 700$ a month unless I bought a huge bulk order lol. But I hear there is no comparison. Hyges are killer atleast the green tops I used. +1 for good post.
I figured now would be the perfect time to run HYGES in the same protocol since any delay would only introduce more variables (age etc). Should have the results around the middle of September. I would be happy to test pharm HGH if someone would send me a 100 IU kit! ;-)
Never hurts to dream!
AnonGreat info!! +1
WithdrawlVery nicely done!!! After using vips then switching to Rips I felt as though it was close to being 4.5iu of vips equalled 4iu of rips. That was based solely off how I felt and responded with a similar diet. It makes me feel good to see that by your calculations that's an accurate assessment. I think it's awesome that Vips, dollar for dollar, are comparable to rips. Add in the fact that Vips are manufactured and delivered from within the US and it makes me was to go right back to the Vips. Great work on these lab test man. These are extremely beneficial to this site. +1
Thanks! I had the same feeling that I needed to increase the dosage when I switched from RIPS to VIPS. I think it is amazing that we can be so in-tune with our bodies that we can sense these variances. Thanks for sharing your experience. This is what eroids is all about!
So can you tell a difference in the hyges yet?
Today will be one week so it is a bit early but I suspect they are showing less sides than I was getting on the VIPS. Nothing concrete - just a slight impression.
beyondimportsVery good controlled test. Igf does fluctuate a good bit though. A 50 point difference could be seen each test. IMO, igf is a lot like blood pressure. You should get a few readings and take an average if you're looking to compare like this. Kudos for doing this none the less. +1
Thanks, beyond! I agree more tests and taking an average would improve accuracy but I have done a lot of IGF-1 tests following this protocol and have not seen much of a fluctuation while on the same product. In fact, I reached the 363 ng/mL level after extrapolating the target dose based on a previous series of IGF-1 tests and hit the target dead-on. Here is my post describing that procedure: http://www.eroids.com/og/anti-aging/an-example-of-extrapolating-hgh-targ...
I didn't mention this in my description above but I made a lot of efforts to keep external influences out of the picture. For instance, I made sure not to change my TRT dosage, exercise level, or diet, etc. during the duration of the test.
Thanks for testing and sharing. +1
Thank you Pathtaker! And plus 1