-1 Cant get rid of my chronic fatigue...either on gear or without. What gear should I add in to my stack?
As an aside I am looking for an anabolic that will help with my fatigue and low energy when I wake up and in the gym. I know partly its because my thyroid is hypo-thyroidsim which means it is low, and I cant take staying on the thyroid meds like synthroid or armour as it gives me awful insomnia and terrible nervousness and non-clear thinking along wityh depression. After 8 yts they still cant figure out what to do, Maybe I can help this problem by not worrying about my thyroid and let it come up by itself with some "help from my friends.'.
I eat a ton of fish and fruit and egg beaters.Thats 50-65% of my diet right there. I do overdo the carbs but I have to in a way as I am very constipated without a lot of hi fiber cereal to get me over 35 grams of fiber per day. Fruit fiber doesnt seem to cut it as well. I allow myself one dark chocolate snickers bar per day. I feel drained when I wake up each day as if I need to go back to sleep after 10-12 hrs sleep. In the gym, whether on gear or not, my endurance and workout length doesnt increase. Im only doing 5 or 6 sets for each body part.Workout4x a week.I eat 5- 7x a day, but too much protein makes me sluggish and want to barf and even in my 20's when on juice, I never ever needed more than 180gms of protein per day.300 gms of protein was always my goal and I never gained the weight I thought I needed on a hi protein diet.
Im on about 150gms protein now and I'm at my highest weight of 5'9-1/2 183 lbs. I probably take in too many carbs after dinner as hi fiber cereal is the only thing that lets me crap normally. But why would that give me low energy? I have tried I lost my faith in supplements over the 30 yrs Im in bodybuilding on and off as it was thousands and thousands of $$$ thrown into the toilet. I have just recently went on a 30 day natural stack of rhodiola,tribulus,,methione and glutamine powder on top of my anabolic stack.. Nothing! My blood work is normal except for my thyroid. Im guessing my adrenals could be burned out but no doctor,even my endo will let me take a saliva test for adrenals over blood work. they tell me my cortisol is fine.. So lets work with what we got. Oh yeah, 2 years before going back on juice I tried to clean myself out and went on a 75% organic raw juice vegetarian diet for 8-10 weeks. Was like burning $10 bills twice a day ordering giant size veggie combo drinks waiting for all the nutrition to be utilized by my body. Nothing! Ive always had a hard time with feeling charged and not sleepy even when on deca and enanthate back in the 80s! Could I just naturally be a low energy person? Even my martial arts teachers are all disappointed in me lately that I cant show up more than once every 2 weeks, Thats sad. I know how to trainin the gym, never over do it, and I dont even bother with cardio on off days because after 30 yrs of trying to run 2-1/2 miles a day, it never happens. My nickname should be Sluggish! If anyone can help I know it will be on this forum.
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was reading this in my Anabolics 2009 edition
"Steroid Fatigue" is a common catchphrase these days, and refers to another important function of estrogen in both the male and female body, namely its ability to promote wakefulness and a mentally alert state. Given the common availability of potent third-generation aromatase inhibitors, bodybuilders today are (at times) noticing more extreme estrogen suppression than they had in the past. Often associated with this suppression is fatigue. Under such conditions, the athlete, though on a
productive cycle of drugs, may not be able to maximize his or her gains due to an inability to train at full vigor.This effect is sometimes also dubbed "steroid lethargy." The reason is that estrogen plays an important supporting role in the activity of serotonin. Serotonin is one of the body's principle neurotransmitters, vital to mental alertness and the sleep/wake cycle.35 36 Interference with this neurotransmitter is also associated with chronic fatigue syndrome,37 38 so we can see how vital it is to fatigue specifically. Estrogen suppression in menopause has also been associated with fatigue,39 as has the clinical use of newer (more potent) aromatase inhibitors like anastrozole,4o letrozole,41 exemestane,42 and fadrozole43 in some patients. These things may be important to consider when planning your next cycle. Although not everyone notices this problem when estrogen is low, for those that do, a little testosterone or estrogen can go a long way in correcting this. It is also of note that the use of strictly non-aromatizable steroids sometimes causes this effect as well, likely due to the suppression of natural testosterone production (cutting off the main substrate used by the male body to make estrogen).
maybe i new direction to think about
Really a doctor is the person to be asking about this. It could be your thyroid, your test levels, adrenal gland fatigue, etc.. any number of things. We are just guessing here. Taking our advice could make it better or worse. You need someone that will have all your medical in front of them for review. If your current doc(s) haven't quite nailed it down for you, please don't hesitate to consider getting a new doc. Your only loyalty is to your health with them and if someone else out there has a better idea, it is worth going to them and pursuing.
Tahnks Al, Jack. But my fatigue is no different with me off gear altogether now and as far as good doctors. This is Florida,boys. The home of the semi-retired doctor/golfer. And I have the worst health insurance. Its just county insurance and I have to pick one of 3 doctors who work in there. Been thru alll 3 of em. If you need a specialist, the wait is 6 weeks! Im grateful being Im unemployed I have any coverage at all. And I know that except for my thyroid being at 8 which is low, all my blood work is fine. Testostrone also.
have you looked into state offered health plans? Usually bigger states like california, or florida will have a large state supported health plan. IDK about florida but california has a ton and their actual care is better than most PPO's. Look into low income plans in florida I can almost guarantee you will be able to find something.
These days there are SO MANY lower income assistance programs that having shit coverage due to insufficient funds most likely just means you aren't looking hard enough. I could be wrong but it's easy as hell in california I don't see any reason why it would be much different in such a big state like florida
See a doctor and have your thyroid tested again. You should bite the bullet and take the thyroid meds and ask your doctor for ambien to sleep. Will knock a brother out! That's what I would prescribe you brother
My honest opinion is you need to see a doctor,,,maybe even a second or 3rd opinion.
MakaveliCD7U need labwork with a MD to review and diagnose ur issue....gear is not ur answer....gear could actually add to ur troubles....be wise
Always nice to see this sort of advice given. Way too much emphasis is placed on the gear and not enough on the lifestyle.
BigBmajYou've got to address the thyroid. Maybe you could try some tricana or some kelp with a large dose of iodine.
I'm surprised you can't tolerate any thyroid meds - have you tried very low doses? You complain of chronic fatigue - then complain when you are awake (insomnia and anxiety). Is it possible that you are just a chronic complainer?
do me a favor guys, this ia a really nice conversation here, but ready to kill is a little wound up for what??? im 54, i make my own decisions. and no im not a complainer. i do sparring and have professional karate guys bash my head in.i DO HAVE A VERY SENSITIVE HORMONAL SYSTEM ID LOVE TO KNOW WHY gOD STUCK ME WITH, THOUGH. sadly i lost a relationship with half of my family because they thought that way. "oH, JUST MAN IT UP AND SUCK IT IN AND TAKE YOUR MEDS THEY WOULD SAY." OH YEAH....????? Iruthfully i think im too would up from living on my own since age 13 and my body never came back to homeostasis. Im never relaxed.
AND WHO PAYS FOR MY FUNERAL WHEN MY CHEST PAINS GET WORSE..AND WORSE...AND WORSE. YOU DONT FUCK WITH CHEST PAINS AND HEART PALPITATIONS!!!!! you mean none of you ever read of someone being caffeine intolerant or even getting heart palpitations from 2 lines of coke. im in this game longer than most of you are alive and if vince gironda cant helo me and many specialists and chiros cant, maybe im simply living in the wrong time and place. ME... A TROLL? DIDNT WE GO THRU THIS ALREADY. GUYS ,JUST EITHER HEAR WHAT I HAVE TO SAY OR LEAVE. I DONT NEED THE FACT THAT ALL OF YOU ARE EXPERTS AND IN THE PINK OF HEALTH TO MAKE ME FEEL LESS.
THANK YOU FOR THE RESPECT.
BigBmajHell I'm a chronic complainer. I was just curious as to whether or not you were just a hypochondriac? Many of us are. Especially the more we study, read, think about ourselves and our heath. We think everyone else is fine and we are not.
It seems glaringly obvious that your problems are psychological rather than physiological. Yeah its usually a two way street, where body is fucking mind and back again. But I think you need a shrink, not a few bottles of gear.
If you've talked to all the experts and no one can help you, and your family have all but abandoned you, that's pretty suggestive. Why the fuck are you asking our advice? I'm just an idiot, who has plenty of problems on a daily basis. I'm certainly no expert. But I can see your problem.
The problem lies with you, not anything outside of you. Nothing from the outside will fix the inside. Its all about making an internal shift and realizing that YOU are the big fucking problem here. Once you recognize that, you can being the process of healing.
This guy has very dangerous ideas about AAS being a miracle drug that cures all. He repeatedly dismissed sound advice, he won't even give his current cycle layout. Now he's looking to add in more AAS just for energy, not in the gym mind you but for life in general. PLEASE DO NOT ADVISE HIM, he IS going to do irreparable damage to his body. Unfortunately Silat, I'm starting to think you're a troll.
and i gacve my cycle layout and diet 3x already. 5 of you cound other threads. dude....no offense but YOU need maybe some vallium or a prescription anti-anxiety regimine. Please stop telling other here what to do.Im following many peoples advice here.
my ideas are dangerous....how??????? Im using juice as the last ditch effort. did you notice in my post I wrote this was my first cycle in 30 yrs???? Show me one guy on this whole board who has that kind of discipline to syay natural and do it the "right way." well after burning up my best yrs...i got nothing to lose and no im not living on organic juices for 2 months again.
You've also written in previous posts that you cannot stick with diets, obviously that hasn't changed. You have not posted duration of your cycle or compounds in this thread. From the thread you wrote about extending your sust cycle, did you extend it? That matters because 1. if your on sust over 20 weeks you need to pct and 2. if you didn't extend that cycle you didn't take the proper time off. You have clearly not put any dedication into anything a dr or any of the bros have told you here. AAS IS NOT A MIRACLE DRUG!!! Stop throwing more self prescribed hormones at an unknown problem. As for my opinion, you posted a thread asking for opinions. I and many brothers have given you their honest opinions, you counter their advice with excuses (not just in this thread). All of your responses lead me to believe that you think AAS will fix you, you show no signs of motivation or dedication. You want "tha roids" to do all the work plus make you feel better. This all comes from the desire to help you out brother, but you aren't looking for help for your chronic fatigue you're looking for a steroid to fix it, and a a brother to tell you what you wanna do is ok. Bad form.
ready, lets both take a deep breath,,,hows that. Truce. Maybe Its my communication skills. On one thread here where someone actually was calling me a cop or a troll because of my picture(Im serious. lol ) a riot almost ensued to ban me. Can you believe it? Then when I gave a bit of my background and told them I used to work out at Lou Firrignos gym in the late 70's, then they jumped on me for giving 'too much information." You have to admit we have quite a mixed bag in this community, agreed? -) I really did give my protocol and diet and everything many times but maybe it wasnt condensed enough.. And you and the other guys have been very helpful. Im on week 14 of my 14 week cycle so I think the boat will stay at the pier for a good while. But anyway, 14 weeks ago I started with my manin stacker being sustanon250.This is because back when I last juiced, it didnt exist. Mutli estered roids were unheard of, so I figured since deca and test enanthate didnt do anything more than let me gain 11 lbs going from 163 to 174 at age 22, I would try everything totally different. I started with 30mg dbol ED and 250sust-2x a week(500total per wk) I gained 15 pounds ,I wanted this to be a bulking cycle but the weight didnt look bad,good or muscular. Just more bulk. Probably gained 1'2" on my arm I just ate natural except for adding in 2 small protein meals per day going from 3x daily protein and carb meals to 5x. From 80-100mg protein(no supplements,all chicken and fish and white lean pork chops) to 140-175 gms of protein daily. Carbs I just used common sense and didnt go crazy. Carbs was about 160gms a day.
I then go to 5'9-1/2" from 170 to 185. No increase in inergy and after 10 weeks I was sick of the gym. Pumps and endurance stayed static. THIS RIGHT AWAY TOLD ME SOMETHING WAS WRONG. SO I TOOK 2 WEEKS OFF AND KEPT ON CYCLE. Came back and went to 50mgdbol ED split 3x a day for a week just to see, and nothing unusual happened to I just decided to go back to 30 and then in disgust cut them out altogether. I was right, the water I gained was partially due to that. Still no cuts. I went to a endocronologist who agreed with my regular doctor that my thryroid was low and meds had to be changed. After 10 yrs of cganging meds,this is the best they came up with. So I tried it again, and si far, some good days and some crazy anxiety,sweary insomniac nights. (sounds like tren A,RIGHT!!!!???)
So a little over a week or so agoi I saw my source gave me some tren A and E to try out. I went 4 days on tren A at 75mg every other day and my strength went crazy, but.....it was taking too much out of my body, as if my body was being drained by the massive weight. I went from 130 10reps in the bench to 195 for 8-10 in 4 days. But I felt even more tired. At that point all I had left was a 200mg 2cc vial of tren E andf i used the last of it yesterday. no more gear. My 14 week cycle became 16 weeks.
I had kept my fiber high at 30 gms daily or more just because it helps me go, and if im eating carbs, they always are catbs with fiber. and screw oatmeal, it just gives me belly girth. rice too. Protein I have never saw a reason to go over the 140-175gms daily as i was now at my highest weight of my life. but why no body fat loss. Oh yeah....up date****************** My publix pharmacy now put in a body fat counter and scale on the blood pressure machine so i got my body fat % back. 24.1% O just joined a martial arts school today so i dont need to do cardio as I never can run more than a mile at any point in my life. I THINK THE THYROID RUINED MY QUALITY OF LIFE. I have even tried urine therapy. gone on retreats. i spent a lot of money. I also have sleep apnea and mitral valve prolapse.
so when I took the gear after 30 yr break...I felt I had nothing to lose, who wants to live needing 12 or more hours of sleep see my point. and i cant stay up all night googling every new remedy.did that for last 8 yrs. ******OTHER THAN PROVIRON, i didnt even buy any PCT. dIDNT FEEL WITH SUCH SHIT GAINS iD NEED ANYTHING AND THE PROVIRON DIDNT DO ANYTHING FOR ME as a on cycle whatever, so since i never got gyno or atrophy of any kind back in my 20's at almsot the same dosage, with no pct, i figured why start now. Im not going to go put in a huge order just to be able to but pct online. But Im worried about my energy. Oh....the gone good thing guys......................my sex drive has very slowly gone up over the 14 weeks and today was the best in a loong time. make that 3 yrs. No viagra or helpers either. now i gotta worry aBOUT that when I do it for real. LOL
Thank you guys, I lost a lot of yrs, not from mis using gear,I think I did a decent job, no? But from all the thyroid,sleep apnea and other ailmants they just aint got a cure for. Hopefulluythe martial arts will have meditation or something to help me relax. And truthfully, I HAD to take the gear or i never would have made it back to the gym. Im worried what i do in 2 weeks when the party is over. Why dont we forget our differences and all meet at Nittis house for beer and/or protein drinks(depending what part of your cycle you are on.) I hear with him, everything is on the arm, right Nit? -)
Did anyone not like my idea of me eating all the carbs I want till 3pm and just cutting them off then? make it 7pm for me as i pften go to sleep at like 2-3am. I cant sleep with les than 120 carbs in my body for the day, and by the night all i can think of is candy!!!!! at least at 160carbs its all good hi fiber cereal,some fruit and plenty salad.
Ok brother I'll do my best to give you sincere advice. 14 weeks is a long time for those that haven't conditioned their bodies very well to take that kind of mental and physical punishment. I'm betting your body is worn out and needs a break. Please for the sake of all that is holy DO NOT extend your cycle or add more AAS. Most likely your cycle wasnt as expected due to diet, but it could be your training program (could be bad gear too), but I'm gonna say it'd probably be a combo of your routine and diet. My friend you should PCT, just cuz there were no symptoms of shutdown doesn't mean you weren't/aren't. You should PCT to get yourself back to whatever your baseline may be, then go get bloods and go to a good endo. You most likely are a TRT candidate and they can also help you with the thyroid issue. The interwebs is great for research but no one should try to diagnose and then treat themselves based on the opinions of some guys on a message board. Their are some diet gurus that will help you out in that area if you have the right attitude. Hook up with SgtStadenko or Viking. Most of us here arent intentionally dicks (some are), its just that sometimes the only way to get a point across is tough love. Good luck brother.
Thx Ready,
The weird thing about all this is I started off by trying to TRT by asking my doc for some testosterone cream as I am also on painkillers and was told by a detox specialist testosterone is good to replace the energy you lose when quitting pain killers youve been on for 2 yrs. So my regular MD refused at first. Finally after a yr of begging him, my doctor relents and gives me 20% testosterone cream which is pretty strong stuff from what I hear compared to the test. in other trt creams. My main goals though were to increase my sex drive and get my overall energy back up. So I didnt believe my own doctor when he said my testosterone was normal. Perfectly normal. So after 3 weeks on the cream I felt nothing and I knew this wasnt going to work, and thats when I ordered some gen shi products and said "Hell I might as well go do a cycle already. Hell after 30 yrs, it was either cycle now or never,yuh all feel me?
Guess my regular ol' MD who we all think are shmucks, was actually right.. The worst thing is I never got off the pain pills either as my back pain became unbearable and my energy disappeared and I just went beserk. Im done with roids ,brother! I have some proviron left. is that for PCT or during cycle?I used it during cycle and it seemed to make my skin gritty so I stopped after 10 days.
Also, any of you know what the one best thing to get to PCT would be?. I hate to order online as the ones I believe are reputable always have $100 min. orders or more. Anything I can get OTC in a drug store? I have a strong feeling my doc wont give it to me. Could I even use the test cream as my PCT for 3 weeks?
I will say this the OP needs to be listing his stats when getting into such important questions about his health. I personally do not feel comfortable without knowing at least the bare minimum. Good catch ReadyTo.
AnonThe answer to your problem does not lie within another compound to inject or swallow . You have a health issue that traditional medicine will never heal. I believe in traditional medicine, but sometimes its just not the answer. I would strongly suggest you look in to chelation, and hydrogen peroxide IV therapy.
Novice, I just spent 40 min researching several sites and they give me 3 wats to do peroxide therapy. 1-in vaporizer 2- in bathtub 3-orally.
In using it orally they say you need 35% FOOD GRADE PEROXIDE WHICH IS ILLEGAL TO SHIP BY MAIL and most Internet sellers are frauds. Also poison control centers tell you to get it out of your house.Theres no reason for it to be there for any reason. So maybe Id try the bathrub 3% peroxide version. I have investigated before many yrs ago and never found one person who got well with peroxide. Have you had success with it?
Also chelation therapy if you are talking about chelated minerals, didnt help me at all, just empty my wallet. But thanks guys, keep the suggestions coming. I wish I could stay on an all juice diet for like 30 days and give up the weight and muscle for health, but....... I get bad headaches and big blood sugar swings. Hell if juice alone cant clean you out, what will?
AnonI had great success with it, but not ingesting it. I have mine administed through an IV. After about 6 I started to feel better.
Thanks a lot guys. Everyone gave a different suggestion. And all make sense. Awesome. I eat a lot of fish only because my cholesterol was high last year and it came down by me eliminating beef,butter and just fats in general. So what else but fish can I eat if I dont like chicken? But yeah, fish can be disgusting. As far as getting a new doctor...I did! She is the one who refused me saliva tests which for the adrenals(which connect often to thyroid failure) some are now saying is more accurate for whats in your tissues,not in your blood, rather than blood tests. she is the 7th doctor who refused me a saliva test, and shes an endocronologist! She switched me from synthroid to armour thyroid and said come back in 7 weeks. Thats our tax dollars at work in education.
A naturopath? They all want rediculous sums and they all want you to use their own supplements and ive wasted thousands on naturopathic supplements. Im on 2 adrenal gland supps made my medical docs and a thyroid supp made by a naturopath. after 5 weeks.....zip
Sleep? I have tried all my life to get less than 8 hrs sleep and my body wont even work out if i go 2 days on 7 hrs sleep. But I should try reducing my sleep again. Good idea. And yes I agree ,my focus shpould be on getting my health back, not muscling up. Many of the things ithers have said i tried 10x already. Its sad that the naturopaths and natural doctors are often scams....at least the regular docs "think" they are doing whats best for you. well....wish me luck on my next blood test in a few weeks. I welcome all suggestions. Yeah, I think I will just taper off the 500ml of sustanon im on now weekly. I cut out the dbol. (I did feel slightly worse before the cycle,though.) Ive always had chronic fatigue whether im on anything or not,sadly enough.
And im sick of all these no wheat-NO DAIRY or low glycemic diets. they make me ill! All of us have different ancestry and I believe one day they will do simple blood tests that wil tell every person how much of what is optimum for him or her. Sadly we are 20 yrs or more away from that. Why we should still have to guess about our diets or even what is OUR optimum protein intake in todays day and age is crazy, i think. All I know is low protein diets dont ever work to give me energy, and every naturopath recommends low or no animal protein. Go figure. -( You guys are great.thanks again.
I get a lot of sleep also.I can function on 8 hours of sleep,but I don't feel fully energized.Without an alarm,I will get 9-11 hours of sleep.And that's after a 1-2 hour nap earlier in the day.I feel great when I wake up,not sluggish.I come from a long line of nappers.lol I think everyone has different sleep requirements.
Thanks scooby and DL.
1st-I keep hearing how no one needs more than 6 ot 7 hrs of sleep, and most sleep studies say the avgeamerican needs 9! So wouldnt that mean that some do well on 4 and some need 12. I think the long sleepers are too embarrassed to say it. First of all, if you look at the greatest achievers in any endeavor, especially sports and even more so business and finance, they all(like ) seem to wake up at 3 or 4am naturally. I would give anything to have so much time in a day. However does this mean that those who need a lot of sleep,have to tone down their goals and be more realisitc? After all, Ive never seen a guy with a standout physique that needs 10 or 1 hrs of sleep or more per night nor have I even met well to do people that sleep half their day away. Genetics not nutrition and gear may be the biggest factor here. -)
DL-i HAD MY blood done and my sugar is fine. I predict there are tets not accepted today by orthodox medicine that will be standard in 20 yrs to find out why a person has chronic fatigue. Lets say nutrition is 70% of it. What if they found you need to eat a lot of fish to replace the iodine or whatever minerals missing in your blood, but the downside is you also get toxic mercury levels by doing so? On my mothers soul guys, if I could only need 5 hrs sleep a night, Id go semi vegetarian,living on fruit and healthy starches all day with one small piece of fish or meat for dinner and whatever I look like, I look like, gear or no. Nothing can give us back the time we lose sleeping. If any of you are over 50 on the blog, you know how that lost time creeps up on you.
On the other hand I dont want to be that poor trucker who is driving across the country ,living on no doze and coffee and kills a whole family because he was sleep deprived. How do you live with that? No one sentence answer to this, not at all. And we ALL know of at least one guy in the gym that always looks tired yet he keeps on gaining,right? Hmmmmmm...I wonder what gear he's on. LOL
happy training!
You are convinced something is irreversibly wrong with you. The problem is you have been given many satisfactory answers, that all require a level of hard work and discipline that if you're dedicated, is no problem to achieve. You never answered my question about your current cycle. I remember a post of yours asking how long you could extend your sust cycle. If I recall, you wanted to make the cycle an indefinite thing. Plz answer this with your stats/current cycle as I'm under the impression that you extended your last cycle and now your receptors are probably fried. Now you want more AAS to fix a problem that you can't even diagnose?!? Wrong approach brother. You need to take a step back and realize that AAS is not a panacea for all that ails you. Fix your diet, because what you posted needs adjusting. PCT because your body needs a chance to heal. Do not add more gear, and stop blaming medical tests that haven't been invented. Try some of the brothers suggestions.
Man sorry to hear this. Depression is def thyroid related in some cases also is fatigue. Check your blood glucose while your at it
thanks sl. all my bloodwork including liver and hormnes is fine except the thyroid. I wont even go intio telling you how many sleep clinics ive been to and doctors just to get off sleeping pills which im on 25 yrs or more. Sometimes like the way a diabetic has to admit hes never getting off insulin, i may be stuck on ambien. I dont see roids as a panacea. But anything that will increase my red blood cells and oxygen carryling ability.......I want in on it!!!! I gave my body a 30 yr rest. im only on 500mg sust now, into week 13 of a 14 week cycle, and i just because they gave it to me i threw in 75mg tren a the last 4 days and my strength went up so high i dont even believe it..........but my fatigue wont go away.
WHAT I DO NEED IS A GOOD pct regimine. And did you guys forget louie and arnold back in the 70's didnt have nolva and armidex,they just stopped. im not sure what im going to do yet. i wont doe, i have no symptoms at all ,,im more concerned with the fatigue and need to sleep 12 hrs a day(on or off the juice)
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN AWESOME. TOO BAD THE DHEA, TRIB AND RHOSEA EXTRACT DIDNT DO SQUAT FOR ME
Prob won't be able to do it, nut try not sleeping so much 10-12 hours sleep is way to much.
6-8 a day is plenty. I only have about 6 hours & and a bit of a snooze in afternoon and that does me fine.
On the rare occasion I do over sleep I feel sluggish and generally not interested in doing anything.
Any doc will tell you this, it mine who told me.
Give it a go, I could be s very simple solution.
I remember some of your old posts. What us your current cycle layout? Hiw long have you been on? What are you running at what dose?
BigBmajYeah man, you need some blood work. DHEA, Cortisol may tell you something about adrenal function as well.
I worry when I see someone eating all that fish. I don't touch the stuff any more. I think our water is just plain too polluted to trust eating any fish. And farm raised is probably even more toxic. Before people tell me how fantastic fish is, believe me I wish it were, I love fish. Half of that stuff we are pulling out of the gulf of mexico is probably full of who knows what? Yeah you can get Alaskan salmon that's probably cleanish but I don't know. Do a heavy metal analysis of your hair and find out how great that fish has been treating you. I could be wrong, usually am.
Id need a lot more information about your lifestyle to really tell you what I think is up. It could be as simple as chronic dehydration, a medication you are taking, depression, poor sleep habits, low igf, could be anything. Maybe digestive enzymes would help you process things a bit better too?
Stay away from the drugs for now - have your adrenal function looked at and blood sugar tested, and tell me more.
You need to go see a NEW DOCTOR; tell them your issues and get another complete work up!
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I think medical attention should be your focus not looking for an aas that will be a bandaid for a problem like chronic fatigue. Get to your doctor and get test ran.
what was your A1C and mean blood glucose on your blood tests?
Smart choice to look here for issues related to sugar; metabolism and energy!
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It's because I had issues with blood sugar.I would get dizzy 20 minutes after eating oatmeal,with just milk.I ended up getting a blood glucose meter at Walmart.Ate my oatmeal the next day,waited until I was dizzy(about 20 to 30 minutes),tested my blood sugar and it was over 200.Figured that wasn't good and made an appointment to see a doctor.Hadn't been to a doctor in about 20 years for a check up.Had blood drawn and my A1C was 5.6% and my mean blood glucose was 114mg/dl.I was having issues such as,no motivation,lack of sex drive,sleepy after eating and a few other things.Well,the doctor said there really was no problem with my blood glucose and preceded to take to me about depression.Everything I was telling him sounded like depression to him.I may be fucked up,but I am far from depressed.lol After I asked if maybe my blood sugar could be causing problems,He said probably not but exercise and a better diet could help with my blood sugar.He then went on about depression.He eventually gave up on the depression talk when I told him there is no way I would take an anti-depressant.I'm not saying there's anything wrong with them if you need them,but I seriously wasn't depressed.I went home and started searching online.I read a bunch about type II diabetes(which my father has).A lot of my symptoms could be linked to high blood sugar.I cut sugar out in my coffee and anything else.I cut out a lot of snacks I love like reese's peanut butter cups and twizzlers.On some websites,they stated that numbers similar to mine were pre-diabetes.I've been feeling much better and last time I checked my blood sugar in the morning it was 85.I was consistently getting 105 to 110 in the morning before.Needless to say,I haven't been back to that doctor.
SCOOBY, 12 YRS AGO WHEN I TOLD MY CURRENT DOCTOR that my hands get cold if I dont eat for 3-5 hrs he said, its probably hypoglycemia, but the glucose test is a waste as all i can do for you is tell you to eat every 3-4 hrs regardless. he was right. notice how many docs dont even use that glucose drinking crap in a cup anymore. Im just a triple type A personality with an accountants nervous system. LOL
Why doesnt anyone talk aboiut their nervous system which often is the cause of messing all their hormones up over the long haul anyway? hell, i need a vallium 2-3 times a week or i cant even relax for 10 minutes. and maybe guys...maybe i need some boldenone and some deca and enanthate for my next cycle. if that dont work, then maybe i could say.....oh well, im done with this. but one cycle in 30 yrs does not a good decision make. Really, id be happy to just put on the gloves at my age and spar for a few minutes with 22 yr old guys without collapsing. Im not trying to be Arnold. just cut, tight and in shape.(and able to sleep without a pill)
Personal experiences go a lot farther than some book, thanks for sharing.