+ 1 im on nolva and clomid and i am a bit depressed
im at the end of my first cycle of test e with a d-bol kickstart. i felt great through the whole cycle but now ,during pct, i have been feeling real down. things that happened years ago are now on my mind and bothering me. i really think its from the clomid from what i read. i was wondering if anyone had this experience too and is there anything i can do do to alleviate these symptoms. i am even finding it hard to get motivated to lift. i have been working out but have been taking it pretty easy. i dont like being this sensitive but i think my wife likes it because i even did the laundry yesterday. 
i would appreciate hearing other peoples experience so i dont think im crazy and end up at the psychiatrist. i only have a few days left of pct and i want to power through it. i went from 195lbs to 215lbs by the end of my cycle and am now between 202 and 205 through out the day. i would like to keep as much of my gains as possible but this emotional stuff stinks.
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Hey man, definitely not crazy. I've been through same situation and sucks! I find that more rest days and less sets durning pct is more beneficial for recovery. Also like lordoftheoctagon says.. Diet is key, you won't be as hungry while in pct so keeping it really clean and high in cals will definitely help out.
I also find that taking about 3g of tribulus and 2G maca morning and night definitely help with the lower sex drive and sense of well being. Hope it all goes good brother and just remember your not crazy and we've all been there!
thanks mike. i never heard of either of those supplements but i looked them up and def think its worth a try. its good to know that im not crazy. thanks again for sharing, it is helpful.
you're definitly not crazy man, i felt the same way during pct. a lot of the posts i read on nolva/clomid protocols make it seem like its a breeze or some shit, but not for me in the least! i know having really low levels of test absolutely play a role in the way i felt, but also nolva didnt agree with me at all. we can agree tho that the pct "blues" are the problem, and the best solution ive found is torem. i havent used it yet but my buddy did and said that he didnt feel any of the things i descibed during his pct. i'll be using it for my pct this time tho in hopes i can come back faster and alleviate all those shitty pct feelings we share
thanks mike, i appreciate you sharing that with me. you say torem, im not sure what that is or where to get it. do you use it alone and how much? i was considering for my next cycle adding aromasin to my pct because i heard that helps. i am def interested in the torum but id like to know more about it.
its short for toremifene citrate, and its a SERM just like nolva, however from what ove read its 5x more effectivs than nolva with a fraction of the side effects. your best bet would be to google it homie, thats what i did and theres also a few alright threads about it here on eroids. the only problem is that its application in pct is pretty new, so theres not a whole lot of solid tried and true experience out there. i got mine and my buddys from the #1 peptide source on here, if you want the site pm me but its real easy to find - click on sources and then hgh/peptides and you'll see it
thanks for that. i found it. what is the dose you plan on taking? 60 mg per day?
sexymexy is recommending 120/120/60/60 but im going to take 120/90/60/30 and 50mgs of clomid all 4 weeks as well as aromasin at 6.25mg eod, 12.5 eod the first 2 weeks so long as my estro doesnt crash (im very sensitive to exemestane and it inhibits estro too well at the standard dosing more often than not). i also have protein factorys unleashed which helped with my libido big time last pct, and also intimidate which is d aspartic acid. havent used that yet but heard/read nothing but good so we'll see.
thanks mike, this is some good info! i already put my order in for some torem and aromasin. i hope other people that have these shity side effects find this and can benefit from this info. im not sure if i want to run clomid again because i dont know if its the nolva or the clomid that is messing with me. i wonder if i can get away with just the aroma and the torem or if i can get away with trying 25mg of clomid a day with the torem and aroma.
Hey bro it sounds like your through the worst of it. Some times the hardest thing to do is walk through the door at the gym! Hit it as hard as you can my man talk yourself into going through those doors all day and when you get through them feel good you got that far and give it everything you got.
I'm not sure what your plans are for the future but I do know that post cycle is a good time to see your doctor for some labs. Especially if you are thinking about TRT. I am not recommending you go that route since its life long at that point, however I'd rather blast and cruise then go through pct twice a year. And I already went through feeling my age for long enough. Anyway best of luck and remember your gonna get through this brother!
thanks for taking time to write some encouraging words. very much appreciated. i dont think im ready for trt. but it would be nice to not feel like i do now.
This is due to the low levels if test in your system. You have all this free floating estro in your body too. This happens to some while on pct.
Things to remember during pct
1. Less volume, more Intesmity
2. More rest days
3. Diet is so important in this phase, the muscle you have created in a short time is "baby tissue". You need to feed it with good clean calories.
4. Continue to keep your cals high, nows not the time to cut.
thanks lord that sure helps. i havent been able to eat like a madman like i did during my cycle. i was eating 7 times a day but i cant seem to eat as much, some days its only 3 times a day. i will try to start hitting the protein shakes again.
The first week of my pct was harsh. I could barely work out, after the first week, I had a good workout and its progressed since. Interestingly enough, the better my workouts have become the more I feel recovered, the better my sense of well being has been. Sunday was my last day. Similarly, I lost ten pounds after the first few weeks, I've actually put a pound or two since. Hang in there bud, you'll make it through this.
thanks for sharing a.w. its much appreciated