HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?
I was talking to a guy yesterday that said he had been using steroids since sophomore year of highschool. He is now 40. When i asked him about PCT he said "whats that?" He had heard of Nolva but only used as an estro blocker. So then i asked him what he does when he goes off cycle, he said he had never been off... since highschool. He just keeps rotating compounds!!! Then i asked him about fertility and he said that about 3 years back he went to get tested for sperm count and it was in the high range! He had a kid right after that! I dont want to give anyone any bad ideas about improper cycling but WTF? He also has been using GH off and on all the while. Could this have something to do with it? I dont even mean blast and cruise, i mean he has been taking blast dosages for decades and GH and never coming off and just had a kid with his fire sperm! I know this guy, i know people that know him, everything checks out, he is not lying. CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME HOW THIS IS POSSIBLE?
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Anonbecause its better to say be responsible up in the forum than say hey go hammer and tong..most people i know blast and cruise..we are all in our 30s 40s and have had our children by the way..there are alot of bright eyed bushy tailed young bucks about up in here!
ive been cycling off and on for 20 years this year. my oldest child is 16, my youngest is 6, and between my last 3 kids i cycled pretty stupidly.
PericlesI can
I have a friend who has been on 2 grams of gear a week for more than 4 years straight.
He doubled that prepping for a Masters comp (he is 40) and he placed 4th. His main problem, besides the fact that he won't see 50, is that his training is a joke. We were training back (lat pull downs already warmed up) and I did 15 reps w/220. He stayed at 130lbs for 12 reps. I had a 123 pound Chinese GF years ago, and she could do 14 reps w/130.
The reason he cannot go off, is he damaged his endocrine system when he was young.
The male endocrine system does not fully mature until 25. Peak natural test last until 27, when a normal person will then lose 1-2% a year.
I am 51, and am on trt. I was natural for 5 years prior, but was a competitive bb years ago, and then I did large amounts.
If I want to fuck my wife on Sat, I need a shot of test on Thursday. But thats OK...I am 51. If you start steroids too young you will damage your endocrine development.
You will then need trt by 30 years of age. When I was 30 I could bang any chick any time. I never used steroids before I was 30. Imagine, you meet the girl of your dreams. Things are getting hot and heavy but you stop and tell her "I need a shot of test, can I see you in 48 hours and then we can have sex."
BigBmajYou could get some TNE then you could shorten that 48 hour waiting window by about 47.5 hours.
PericlesI actually did get some tne from censored. 75 mg's tne, 25 Dbol.
I also added the censored test e 250/deca d 200
Shit burned like a mofo going in. I have a high tolerance for physical pain (but not emotional pain).
To get a perspective, this pain was maybe 75% as bad as a red hot branding iron on the skin for about 30 seconds..
BigBmajThere are painless varieties out there. You can PM me if you want.
oh he was ripped alright. Arms the size of my head. He was HUGE about workout frequency and diet. Actually he talked about the diet more than the juice. A word of warning, he basically conceded to the fact that he would never be able to stop using and had to keep pumping those levels... forever is a long time.
Power Teddydude how ripped the guy was ? If i'm gona take such a risk then i'm expecting good results ,
I don't think there has been a 30+ year study done on enough people to actually know what long term use can do to the body. I think there is a lot of speculation on the issue, much of the negative issues are due to the negative propaganda out there, and not scientific fact. All I know is that there are elderly men that have been taking the stuff there entire lives and are in good health. I don't see any dropping dead from steroid use, but there could be heath complications that may assist it, There are too many variables to take into account.
thanks for all the posts. To be clear, i am asking why this guy seems to be ok when he should be dead. I am not saying this is a good idea for anyone. Enough reading on this site and its CLEAR that this would be a bad idea. My hope is that this post generates a dialogue of caution to anyone who thinks they can live this way.
Well it's probably one of those unexplained things that we just don't know.
Similar to the people who can smoke 3 packs a day for 60 years and are healthy as ever. Yet another person can smoke a pack a day for 5 years and get cancer.
or when a 350lb person has better blood pressure and cholesterol than me!!! WTF genetics man all i have to say. I eat an extremely healthy diet whole foods veggies, fruits, etc and my HDL cholesterol is low and ldl is a little high
but I have a 270lb friend who has better cholesterol values than me and BP yet he eats liek shit and never exercises
Everyone is different. The fact that your buddy does regular doctor check-ups probably helps a lot too
You hear it all the time that we're all different and respond to compounds in different ways. The bottom line is how drugs, of any kind, effect you on a personal level. Sure it's interesting that this guy has basically ran a 1000+ week cycle ( that would be the ultimate EQ cycle) and is seemingly doing well. But for the vast majority of us that would not be the case. Hell two poorly ran cycles when I was young has me on TRT now. No two individuals are the same, but we're all basically similar. My father in law is 75 years old, nearly 400 pounds and believe it or not is in relatively good health according to his last check up. Surprised the hell out of me, but again we're all different.
isnt this pretty much what all pros do? and pretty much all guys trying to be pros? the dont pct. never heard of a BB with a kid?
AnonYea...... me lol
Bone density
Cholesterol
Cardiovascular
DVT
CHF
DIABETES
And many more illnesses can be produced from long term hormone levels being all out of wack like they are with someone who "loves" drol and cycles for 20yrs with no pct
Hmmm
Interesting idea
Who goes well ill just shoot up steroids for 20yrs
Your dude better be 230+
If not then he is a pathetic sad drug addict
Not necessarily gator, I don't believe steroids will cause diabetes...
also there is no link between steroids and dv thrombosis, however if he is genetically determined to have blood clotting problems maybe. DVT can be caused by obesity, child birth, also family history of blood clots. People with certain autoimmune disorders are also more susceptible.
cholesterol can also be managed by diet, exercise, and of course genetics also play a huge role in this
if he manages his blood pressure and again genetics play a huge role in possibility of CHF, then you cant really say steroids would definitely cause this.
I'm sure he didn't plan from day one to use steroids for 20 years. He probably used them a few times at first then realized he cant function off cycle.
and 230 is nothing lol unless hes 5feet tall. He better be like 250-300 with low BF
yikes, some pretty harsh words there but anyway... hes about 310, 11%BF, great physique, sees a doctor regularly, fit as a fiddle
No two people react the same. My friends dad for example turning 71 in april has also ran steroids since he was 16, he directly told me he would run 12 week cycle no pct just come off wait 4 weeks then 12 weeks again. His dosages were pretty moderate however like 20mg dbol for 6-8 weeks with test at 400-500mg for 12. His liver, kidneys everything has checked out. No blood pressure issues or anything. I think its really an individuilized thing, just like it takes x amount of alcohol to get one person drunl it may take another 5x that amount. I personally ran my first cycle at 16 did proper cycle with bloods pre and post cycle and i recovered just fine, however i had a base bigger then 90% of ppl who ran 10+ cycles, and i educated myself. Ran sustanon at 750mg for 12 weeks with nolvadex as pct, didnt have clomid but all worked out. Now i have 8 cycles under my belt and still my bloods turn out fine eerytime. Also even ON cycle my blood pressure doesnt go above 120/70, thats on dbol/test even
Rawman
YOU ARE THE EXCEPTION NOT THE NORMAL
Do not spread ideas about how everything stays fine cycle after cycle
I understand your opinion on "individual "
Yes it is as is any drug
Your lucky one, most need to read about being preped for sides and pct
It's harm reduction dude
Not my friends dad is fine and I am too and we started at 16
CUT THE SHIT
do not promote the use of these drugs for anyone 16 yrs old
Don't even post it dude
Teens read this forum too!!!!
By your rationale I shouldnt have even posted this topic because someone might read it and think they can get away with it too? Come on bro, stop blasting people for posting their opinions and personal experiences. We cant protect people from making stupid decisions. I thought this site was for people to communicate openly and share experiences and let people decide for themselves. Hopefully my statement about "im not trying to spread ideas about improper etc" was enough of a disclaimer. I dont think its a good idea, im sharing information. At least it got people talking about organ damage and health problems. Hopefully the teenagers are reading that part too.
When you say "most beed to read", your making it seem like i didnt educate myself. I am not saying its wise for a 16 year old to juice all im saying is if hypothetically a 16 year old was mentally and emotionally mature theirs no biological evidence that steroids are worse for teens then 25+ year olds that bro science. Its the simple fact that teens make stupid decisions with or without steroids thus the addition of a substance is not wise.
Bro science
No
College degree science
Test production in teens is about 300mg per week on average natty
25 + about 11 mg per day or 77mg per week
Average
So the difference is vast
Teens have enough endogenous test already
A 25-30 yr old male may not
Also drug use of any kind during adolescents is not advisable
Not even lots of sugar and caffeine in my eyes
THREE HUNDRED A WEEK WHAT!!!! thats like 2500ng/dl
if you knew anything about trt you would know that a 100mg dose can cause levels well over 1000ng/dl. 200mg dose of test has the potential to hike test levels well over 1500. add another 100mg you could be up to 2000's+
test in teens is usually between 500-1500 which is equivalent to 100ish mg test per week. nowhere near 300mg
Can you send me a link as to teens making 300mg a week please? I would honestly appreciate it, i knew they made alot
More then adults but didnt kno the difference was that big. I was thinking 150mg around thanks.
ive been watching this thread and all your posts, maybe you should do some more research. theres plenty of stuff out there on teens and steroids, its really not someone elses job to find stuff for you. Do your own research....Im figuring your probably a teen yourself or close to it as they are the ones always asking for research but dont like to do it themselves.
With a due respect you should read them again, i looked and found teens to be 150mg around a week, couldnt find 300mg so i asked him to show me. What gives you even the slightest thought that im in need of justification or that im a teen? I simply want evidence not someones word with more karma on the internet
apparently you couldnt find anything about why teens shouldnt use steroids as well. im not talking about what people produce a week im talking about your entire thread about teen usage.
That is correct i see no biologic evidence or studies that suggest steroids are BIOLOGICALLY more harmful to teens, i still dont agree with teens and aas because their emotional rollercoasters but if one is stable like myself when i was16, has a solid base i see no difference then a 25 year old. But if you have studies please link them man, i could be wrong im just not gonna take your word for it because your a mod i want proof:)
so it would be BIOLOGICALLY ok for any age then is what your saying. if hypothetically a 5 year old was mentally and emotionally matured then they could do it too... I have to go to work in a couple minutes, when I get home ill finish my conversation.
Ok, no i said 16 year old, stop dodging my question, send links to your proof man
The absence of proof doesn't equal that something is or isn't true. It could still be left to be discovered. How many times has the FDA through studies approved a drug for use and deeming it safe only to then recall it due to many health disasters and even deaths. They do studies and put the findings down as proof and then they reverse their so called proof. Just because something hasn't be discovered or proven does not negate the existence of it. I don't know your age or whether you have children but if you had a teenager who wanted to use aas, would you let them and encourage it? Personally I don't think I will wait for internet proof on all subject matters before I make a common sense decision based on simply the side effects I get from aas as an adult. If it came to my teenager kids wanting to use.
if you cant figure out that steroids for a 16 year old is bad I dont know what to tell you, have you read anything on genetic potential? about growth plates I believe it is. Ive read the stuff many times but I dont care to go find studies for you to read, nor do I care to memorize the stuff as im not a kid, you do your own research. your question isnt real anyway, its hypothetical, and there is little difference from a child and a 16 year old doing steroids, neither of them have matured mentally, physically or emotionally. If you need proof to figure that out for yourself then so be it go find it but you wont come on here and talk about it or ill just get rid of you, that simple. also, many times with steroid use you have nothing to go on but bro science, why do you think there is forums to learn from? theres very little real studies.
dr name is there the actual study should be on pub med but you have to pay
google his name
its about 45meq (mg equal) per day during puberty
im an RN bud no brosef
ok
http://www.livestrong.com/article/236521-testosterone-levels-in-teenagers/
read it
boom dog
"According to an article in The Guardian, puberty may cause a boy to create as much as 50 times the amount of testosterone that he produced prior to puberty. The Body Building website suggests that teenage boys may produce the equivalent of 300mg of exogenous testosterone per week.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/236521-testosterone-levels-in-teenager..."
these are all speculations from some random article. Basically it's not a very good source for this information.
"the bodybuilding website suggests teens may produce 300mg" lol don't trust the bodybuilding website for this information
DOn't trust everything you read on livestrong.com
You read it wrong it said according to "bodybuilding.com" in reference to 300mg, bb.com is not a valid source. The DOCTOR is reference to the girls producing up to 70ng/dl by age 20.
No I'm saying don't even write about it
Bc "most need to read " that it not acceptable
When people post they did it
No prob
How many more teens are gonna read it and go
Okay I will to then and be fine too
They're gonna do it anyways brother. This forum and it's information will never stand up to actual peer pressure from friends, teammates etc. I see your point but generally by the time a 16 year has asked for permission, they've already made up their mind to do it or have already done. No matter what the substance may be.
That's sad
He has surely hurt his longevity
And quaility of life later is gonna be painful and illness ridden
He better enjoy it now
And should stop cycles completely and do test only and Gh
i would have to partially disagree. i defff do not agree with his 20+ year approach but if he really has been going this long with no problems and then just stops using aas completely i highly doubt his hypothalamus is just gonna kickstart up again and he is going to feel great. he will probably activate some serious problems. i would probably dial it down if i was him with the heavy compounds and cut out the anadrol completely, but he is deff a trt patient for life at the least
Read buddy
Says test only
With Gh
I agree TrT for life for this person
Only way to know if he had damage his organs (liver, kidneys, heart, prostate etc)is if he does a general check out wih the doctor. The myth that steroids r bad for u has been highly overrated IMO, not saying that u should run cycles for 20+ years like that fella does but u get my point.
In the other hand i heard people talking about steroids been bad for young people because it can mess up ur hormone levels at that age blah blah blah.... I feel like if some one is more used to hormonal changes is in fact young people, why? Because theyr hormones are blowing at young ages and making changes, again not saying that u should start young but thats just my 2 cents...
thats the best answer yet. makes sense.
That's crazy, he'll be dead by the time he's 50
Yo relax that sounds too extreme. If he didnt die 10 years ago im sure he will be fine.
from what though? liver tox? heart attack?
Who knows what state he's liver, heart and kidneys are in but they can't be good from a 20+ year cycle! Even if he has milk thistle and other liver support his liver would have been working over time for the last 20 years. Not to mention raised blood pressure and raised cholesterol effects on the heart and kidneys.
Depends what compounds he is heavy on.
i know he likes anadrol, thats his favorite. I also know he just finished a tren E and EQ with test cyp cycle. Pretty sure he goes back and forth between different compounds depending on what he can get his hands on. Im wondering if that would make a difference that he switches so much.