posted Wed, 02/06/2013 - 17:17
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High test e cycle or test and deca
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3 rd cycle, 35 yo 260 lbs 15% bf. Looking for lean bulk. Thinking 14 weeks test e 750 mg ew or 12 weeks test e @500 mg stacked with 500 mg of deca for 10 weeks. Both with an oral kick and backload.
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I'm glad you made up your mind, but Have you considered a Tren+ Prop run? Ran one before my last show, 100mg test p ED, 100mg tren ED. Worked.. i leaned out, stayed strong, actually tren made me real strong, Looked good, felt like a god, may be to early to try tren, but if you would like to try it let me know, I can talk you through it, run that shit 12-16 weeks, you wont ever be the same bro, no shit
You are telling him to run tren with no stats? He could be 20 years old for all you know. BAD IDEA! You obviously know your shit by your picks and we could use your knowledge here but all the vets here preach safety first.
this guy is on his 3rd cycle and your advising tren? not on this board bud, we dont give tren advice till way later, like 7 more cycles later.
Def not ready for tren! Baby steps! Remember slow and steady wins the race. After this cycle I will do test and eq and then test and deca and then test, eq,deca and then maybe test and tren!
Well I appreciate everyone's advice and I have decided to do one more test only cycle @ 750 mg a week for 12-14 weeks with a oral kick and backload. I know how I respond to test and honestly I should be able to accomplish my goals without deca or eq. Maybe this summer or fall I'll run something like sust and npp.
You want to lean bulk? This is going to be hard with test e and deca. Have you thought about a test p and npp cycle if you want to use nandrolone? Would have to pin at least eod though. This would lend its self to a leaner bulk. Of coarse diet would be key etc etc..... I cannot say from experience the results of a test p & npp cycle as I'm only on week 2 but I think I'm going to like it. Your cycle could be only 8 weeks so you will be shut down for less time.
My last cycle was test e and eq. It was a long cycle but its 'proper' gains. Solid with little water. Noid roid is right test e & eq would be quality for a lean gain cycle. If you have to use nandrolone then maybe npp?
test and EQ would be a better combo, frontload EQ to make cycle several weeks less. if your interested i can lay out a cycle.
Thanks for the reply. I have heard that eq is really weak (kind of like testosterone's little brother) and that it has to be run at least 600 mg ew to see anything and that you should run it at least 14-16 weeks. Someone also told me that you have to be below 12% bf to see any good results as well and that it causes real high blood pressure (is this true)? I actually posted a cycle that I was going to do and it was test and eq but deca just keeps calling my name and I have sore joints and I wanted to see how it would help them and if the mass gains are as good as everyone says. I am scared of the shut down from deca and I have read som horror stories from people who never recover or dont recover as fast as they should. I am not ready for trt so I will be doing pct. If I was doing trt I would not care about it. Thanks for what ever advice you have, I appreciate it.
EQ is a great bulker, and I honestly believe it can put on as much mass as deca. It's also not gonna bloat you up, but yea it does need to be ran for 14 weeks.
The high bp is a result of increased red blood cells by the EQ. But high bp can be managed by ai use and proper diet and water intake
The shut down horror stories are true with deca.
Also if you are complaining about high BP why are you running orals? Not only oral kicker but you also said in the backend of a cycle.
Orals will give you more BP issues
my BP was still to high on cycle went to doc and got put on lisinopril also.
you can control high bp with diet and A.I. watch your sodium intake.
Greekmuscle1If you run test deca you should be fine with 600 mg test e and 300 deca weekly if your gonna run deca make sure you get caber
If I were you since it's your third cycle if you want a good lean bulk use Tbol as a kickstart to reduce bloat weeks 1-4 50mg daily and run test at 750 but if your gonna run test that high make sure you have an on hand to prevent gyno and to reduce bloat for example aromasin at 12.5 mg eod weeks 3-12
It's only your 3rd cycle I wouldn't run deca you don't seem to familiar with it and if you don't have proper knowledge you may regret it
Thanks for the response and that's why I am on forums like this. As Roid Noid posted about EQ, what do you think of test and eq instead of deca. I love test and have zero sides except some acne and oily skin and I would like to run a high dose and see what results I would get since I am already 260 lbs (6' 8" 4 real) so I am not of average size. I would how ever like to drop my BF % down some and gain about 15 lbs of muscle so Deca might not be the best option for this but I know it will help my joints.
I have used t bol twice and not a fan (once as a kick start to my first cycle and as a backload to my last), its good for hardness and some strength gains but I don't gain shit from it. I will be using superdrol as a kick (I have used it before and loved it and gaind 15 lbs and didn't lose anything, I kicked started my last test cycle with it). I don't care what anyone says SD is the best oral ever created and the strongest. And before someone says its a ph it is not. SD is a full steroid and no wet gains either and the strength gains are also second to none.
Greekmuscle1I would go test and eq then for what you want roid is right you will get nice lean gains without the water bloat and will keep most gains if you keep your diet on point