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My typical week looks like this
Mon chest & tri
Tues Back and Bicep
Wed cardio and abs
Thursday legs
Friday Shoulder

Im feeling like i should be hitting the same muscle groups twice a week at this point. I feel like i could hit them the next day even with a bit of DOMS. I obviously dont wsnt to burn myself out but I dont wamt to lose out on prime gym time while im starting to feel good. Curious to hear other peoples typical week on cycle. Should i change my split, ahould i cut back or go harder and more frequent.
For example, i hit chest amd cardio on sunday, back and bi supersets today. I feel like i could do cardio tomorrow legs Wed and hit chest again thur and again Monday.
Thoughts?

kodiakGRRL's picture

I use a push pull system ..push one day pull the next .. sometimes I ll do bi's and tri's the same day but not very often. I m using FST 7 sets to stretch the fascia and working so hard one muscle group per week is plenty of workout.. In all honesty if you have been doing the above for any real time at all you should change it up. Your body has an amazing adaptive process and will adapt fairly quickly to training routines which is not conducive to maximum growth.. your muscles need shock to break them down and lots of rest to repair them.

Buildbigger86's picture

x 2 i do the arnold workout

chest and back
shoulders and legs
arms and forerms

and repeat twice week i love ittt

XvBeast's picture

I havent read the comments under, but I do hit muscles twice a week especially if its lacking. Its random for me, I dont like a plan then it gets boring. I say u have a cardio day if u need it, if not then have a rest day , but 6 days a week lifting training is perfect for me, when i feel like i am burning out , I just add more carbs to my diet and im ready to go again. good shit brother, ur desire to hit muscles twice a day shows motivation and maturity in this life style

SwolePatrole7's picture

Twice a week for me

Chest and tri - monday, thurs
Back and bi- tues, friday
Legs, shoulders, wednesday, saturday

Works for me, thats every third day i hit the muscle again with sundays off.. If i dont hit each muscle twice a week i feel smaller..might just be a mental thing cuz i've been lifting this way for years.

Anonymous's picture

it is taught that muscle groups need approximately 48-72 hrs of rest between workouts utilizing the same muscle group(s). the higher the volume or greater the intensity, they more rest is needed. this is to ensure that the stressed fibers have been repaired and that glycogen stores have been replenished to optimum levels.

i broke away from this mindset once during my AAS tenure... i was training for size/strength with loads causing me to fail in the 4-6 rep range and working each muscle once per week. i thought to myself, once a week is what is needed without the accelerated transcription rates, so AAS would allow for less time between sessions, so i started going twice a week on a two day split + hitting legs on wednesday.

now, i'm sure my diet played a big role here, but i began noticing symptoms of overtraining on week 3 of this. even at more than 1000mg of test a week, my strength was declining, my energy levels were not up to par, and i was actually getting sore the same day as the work out - sometimes in only a matter of hours following...

i was eating to lean down, so the carb content was controlled. post workout always consisted of what was needed for the insulin spike along with whey protein. that meal was followed by a solid meal 1 hr later. carbs were not restricted first meal at all. subsequent meals consisted of complex carbs only, until post workout meal. carbs were tapered by mid-afternoon, and last meal consisted of zero carbs. overall calorie intake was approximately 4000.

now, had i managed the carb intake differently, i could have maintained better energy levels. but, the point is that, working in the lower rep ranges to failure exhibits more tissue damage than can be repaired in only a couple days. if you're working in the higher rep ranges (double digits), less tissue damage occurs and frequency can be increased.

diet dictates the gains - handsdown. but eating all the food in the world with inadequate rest yeilds poor gains.

ak47's picture

Everyone is different and this is especially true with regards to post workout recovery. Some guys even while on cycle simply don't recover as well as others. I'm going to share my workout split....the only deviation I make is that while on cycle I typically take one day off whereas off cycle it's three on/2 off cycle.

Day 1 - chest, back, abs
Day 2 - quads, hams, calves
Day 3 - delts, biceps, triceps, forearms
Either one two days off

I came to this split after much trial and error. I recover extremely fast. Even while doing FST7, I rarely experience DOMS. With that in mind if you recover a bit slower than by all means make adjustments. This split allows for all muscles to be hit twice a week

Freak_Accident's picture

Finally! I've been doing exactly this for 6 weeks and I've grown more then ever! Close to being on! Diets killer on point though. I go by feel also when it comes to how many days off. Sometimes I even hit 6 straight then one off. I never go above 6 but just take a day or 2 off when I feel it's needed. Also adjusting volume and weight by feel. I think everyone that knows their body well enough should just listen to it.

P's picture

I train each bodypart once a week.

M - Chest
T - Legs
W - Shoulders
T - Back
F - Bi's/Tri's
S - Off
S - Off

But if you feel like doing more than one body part per session then have a look at my reasoning on the mind-muscle connection.

In order to build muscle for example, one must gain an efficient mind muscle connection - therefore more experienced bodybuilders have adapted a stronger neurological connection between their mind and the muscle group they have chosen to work out.

Thus, by doing a chest/tri split your mind muscle connection is 'active' during the chest phase of the workout, since you're getting the muscle pumped before breaking it down. However, regarding the tris part, the muscle is already pumped subliminally through it being a secondary muscle group when working out chest.

Therefore IMO, a more effective split, for example, would be chest/bis since you are initiating mental focus twice as opposed to once. if that makes any sence?

In order to substantiate my aforementioned point regarding a mind-muscle connection I put forward the idea of the disabled:

Taken out of context in order to further develop a holistic view, we analyse a blind man. Since this person has lost one of his senses he is much more dependant on other senses such as touch for example. Therefore the mind muscle connection has created strong links between the brain/nervous system and nerves in his fingers (braille) to ensure the human flys (recalling upon both the fight or flight theory and Darwin's natural selection - and also a point that Tread-m touched upon in his most recent post, the Causality Paradigm - Cause and Effect ).

Now, if we put this back into context, a bodybuilder would aim to develop/enhance their mind-muscle connection to further the efficiency of their muscle growth, as it has proven to be beneficial through the simple analytical awareness of the target muscle group and the overall objective, thus creating a synergistic harmonious benefit.

Also, neurological changes – ultimately the nervous system is responsible for ‘recruiting’ muscle fibers. In simple terms the nervous system stimulates a muscle to contract by sending down electrical impulses towards the muscle. Scientists can measure the ability of the nervous system to stimulate muscle by measuring its electrical activity.

In order to optimise the mind-muscle connection, more myelin must be created (Myelin is the insulation for nerve fibres - think of this as the rubber which insulates your household electrical appliances) - thus, the more myelin, the stronger and more accurate the electrical activity will be.

Every human skill, regardless of which activity it is (for example, playing soccer, playing a musical instrument, running in a 100 metre sprint) is created by thousands chains of nerve fibres carrying an electrical pulse - resulting in a signal being transmitted from a source (CNS - Central Nervous System)to the muscles required to perform a specific task. The role of myelin is to embrace and wrap around the nerves carrying the signal in order to ensure that the signal level is efficient - thus reducing the amount of electrical impulse being leaked outside of the intended destination.

Thus, upon practising (through bodybuilding repetitions, for example) our neurological circuits are continuously firing and through repetitions, our brain signals send messages to ensure each correctly fired signal's nerve is insulated more and more - (think of this as if the more myelin there is insulating your nerve fibres, the more efficient you are at performing that specific movement).

Myelin is very important for many reasons. Everyone can produce it - and it is produced more efficiently during our childhood years (which is why it is considered easier to pick up a skill/talent in our youth than in our senior years). Additionally, its indiscriminate - and growth can be a result of both mental and physical actions.

Myelin is therefore an inhibitor of skill - whereby skill is defined as "a cellular insulation that wraps neural circuits and that grows in response to certain signals" (Coyle, D., 2009) - thus, through the analysis of the aforementioned quote, the more time and energy you administer with achieving a certain skill-set - the more efficient and effective you become at it (substantiated by the common phrase practise makes perfect).

NoPain's picture

Kick ass info! thanks bro. Seriously a bunch of smart fucks here. I admittedly followed the typical chest/tri routine because, well, everyone does it, it must be right but as usual, I was way off base. What you laid out makes a lot of sense. I am going to give it a try. That will also shorten my workouts which is a struggle sometimes. I end up at the gym for a while (not that I really mind) trying to cram everything in before work.

I greatly appreciate the post!

Dos, on the overtraining thing, that's exactly what I want to avoid. Sometimes I have to get a hold on my go go go mentality and try to slow myself down. Sounds like that's what I need to do here!

Anonymous's picture

damnit, P! you just laying out there, huh?

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