posted Fri, 12/21/2012 - 02:51
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Recomping thoughts...
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What are peoples thoughts in recomping as apose to the original bulk then cut? A buddy of mine is going to be running the same cycle as me test (low dose)/primo (highdose)/var(start)/winny(finish), his problem is that he is at 11% bodyfat cery well built, his goals are to drop to 8% bf and gain 5-6lbs of lean mass in this 16 week cycle. Now diet/training will be critical here so we both thought somewere along the lines of 250cal surplas with lots of cardio of all sorts. Do you think his goals are achievable and any tips please or expierences with somehing similiar would be appreciated?
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tread-mRecomp is my language brother. Its the way to do it in my opinion and if not competing then almost the only way to do it. I don't necessarily agree with the cal thoughts in that I think you still keep building cals you just do that by manipulating carbs differently and driving protein cals via food higher. One might have less red meat in the run and more chicken and fish but still big cals in a recomp. I have founf myslef looking to have gained 20 lbs before and actually had a net loss in a good recomp.
So a typical recomp for me would be keeping the fat intake well in check, use my carbs still for building or in thiks case appearing to move weight around and pull carbs after meal 3 of the day. From there we still eat big on meat and veggies but carbs gone. In that scenerio and particularly running GH I might even add a 7th meal of fish and veggies and hungry enough to do so. In the past even rolled the ghrp6/cjc1295 driving ghrelin even higher for appetite to push and move more food and adding to recomp. Side note there would be you can actually have too much ghrelin even if big bulking in which case you are essentially moving food too fast and reverse recomp begin to occur.so on that note I'll say my definition of recomp is wider and leaner, better proportion and may actaully weight the same in the end but look as thougb you gained big but got leaner at the same time. Some illusion to it but it is actually quite real. If you ask me for example if I would rather look 225 and weigh 205 or look 230 and weigh 230 I'll take the former all day long. Its a much better and healthier look in the former.
So that covers the food thoughts now the training thoughts IMO. To recomp you think both cut and build. Its an art really in that most will argue its not possible and they are sort of right and sort of wrong IMO. The sort of right in that it will be very difficult to put on big size trying to get lean at the same time. But remember, this is recomp and "sort of an illusion" so I think 2 directions in the gym like I did in the kitchen. For me the best recomp training will have both medium weight longer reps and have hea vy weight less reps .to harden , cut and solidify muscle you need some medium weight high rep sets in there but we also want to recomp or in theory move weight arou such as smaller waist wider shoulders. Taking on an illusion of serious weight gain when really its net gain where you want it and net loss where you don't and they may equal total net zero when all done but still huuuuge gains in my mind. So gym, I'll start light weight get my reps and get the blood fillijg. Staircase slowly up to bigger weight and get my sets in for "building". Once I have I will go back to medium weight and push the blood again and take it to failure for a few sets.
So food in proper carb structure will be the driving force but the gym has to play the role of recomp. btw, when I think recomp winnie does not pop in my head. I might be more inlcined to roll 1testC for example or if experienced to the necessary degree Ace but winnie works against you if truly wanting serious visual recomp. Closer with it maybe but its still not where my mind goes. I would even consider just my test with npp in the mix early var medium dose (60 split) on the final 6 and again, make it about proper carb structire whole ride and working the gym to both build and recomp. Not as thought provoked on compounds here as I am proper carbs and gym. Btw...grab up some ghrp6 at 100 mcg's 2 or 3 times ed for ghrelin production and move some food here while you roll. I'd not take it to saturation and stay around 75/100 so as not to find yourself reverse. recomping if he has a fairly high metabolism as I do.
Nice post bro, i understood everything u said except the last part 100mcg of xxxx what is that? Not familiar with the compound
tread-mIts about a 40 strand peptide brother. It will cause a little extra natty gh pulse. But for our purposes here you are going to create a little extra stomach ghrelin with its use and "move food" faster. The purpose of that in the recomp is not just to eat more at all. any time your are moving food faster you are moving hormone and metabolic rate. Combined with yyour test the importance of that in large part is higher protein synthesisi. Higher protein synthesisi is great for building and the whole thoughts behind eating every 2 to 3 hrs but in thoughts of recomp it is causing you the ability to mov food quickly, process food more efficiently via protein sunthesisi, higher possibilty to build lean muslce while simulatneously cutting more fat. It can play a large role on recomp and I think he would find it very beneficial. Even so , a good recomp or g
Build or cut whatever the case is always subject to success or failure based on proer use of carbs. In this scenerio you want carbs on the build side and don't on the cut sid so we use all the tools mentioned then we structure carbs in a way where we get them big through he first 3 or 4 meals to enable build but cut them them meals 4-7 to enable cut. That very combination had recomp written all over it. So we are all different so on will have to figure out as to their personal body, do I cut carbs after meal 3 or 4 etc. Its tweaking whats best for the individual but I can assure you, a true highly successful recomp will be a VERY. strict diet high in protein and proper carb structure and the degree of success or failure will hinge directly on that. All I rally do is recomp these days so I have done well figuing it out. I stay 3-5 % bf away from ripped to shit 365 and have it tuned in to the degree I can rip and recomp very quickly. Again, if competing this is not a working strategy yr round but fo my goals it serves me well.
thats a really long time on oral. Throw one out or use masteron
Bro its week 1-6 var, 14-18 winny not long at all. Could you adress the question please;)