posted Wed, 11/28/2012 - 12:15
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Hey guys! I am running sustanon350 at twice a week and cypionate250 at once a week. This will be a 14 week cycle and it is my first cycle in over 7 years. I am 33 years old. I weigh 205 with around 15 percent bodyfat. In the past I never did pct or anything just tapered off the old school way so I am very uneducated about pct and what to take while I am on this cycle as far as anti estrogens and hcg or whatever! I don't know what I should take and at what dosage. So the question is what should I take while I am on this cycle at what dosage and what should I use for pct at what dosage and at what length of time and when should I start taking it? Thanks in advance for the help!
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juice12345678Could do your research....type PCT in the search function
Pct 1: Standard
Nolvadex 40 / 40 / 20 / 20
Clomid 100 / 100 / 50 / 50
Pct 2: New Standard
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD/Nolva 20 Daily/Clomid 100 Daily
Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
Aromasin 6.25mg EOD/Nolva 10 Daily/Clomid 50 Daily
While on cycle
Use Arimidex .5 e3d....if bad e2d
If really bad could do .5 ed
If really really bad look in to Letro.
Aromasin is also another option and hits your Cholesterol less hard too (I tend to use Aromasin e2d at 12.5 mg's....without Adex....works for me....not Gyno proned)
All the best....
TronThanks a lot for the info bro! Yeah, next time I will do more research on my own. Thanks.
Sust should be split up into eod injections because it has prop in it for stable blood levels.. Idk why you need the extra cyp with this.. about 2 weeks after your last injection and start your PCT like this
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
I would be running aromasin right now at 6.25mg ed because the half life is ed.. All together how much mgs of test are you getting a week? 950mg?
Tronthis sus has 50mg of prop. Well I have prop100mg on hand. could I just pin the prop at half a cc on the two days I'm not pinning the sus?
I'd just pin the prop for four weeks eod or ed for a kicker and ride your cycle out on the cyp then possibly taper at the end with the prop
Anoni kinda struggle with that eod protocol personally. Not saying you're wrong at all. my thought process is that the eod will provide stable blood levels but won't the longer esters build up?
Exactly.
Over the last 20+ years iv'e tried it every which way and it doesnt make a damn bit of difference, it's still the same amount you are taking each week.
Also it's actually the peaks that give the side effects, one shot of sust per week will give one peak per week.
On top of that ppl have to remember that their natural test production is far from stable, it works on a circadian rhythm, it's always up and down.
Some ppl seem to find it difficult to understand exactly how sust works, looking at a response release graph from a good endo site will help see what happens.
Yes but I wouldn't run the sust the entire cycle.. the slower esters kick in by week 4 and he drops the sust and continues on just cyp.. 175mg of sust 4 times a week will come out to the 700mg he was pinning.. It's just 2 extra pins
TronThat is the exact response to OmNom that I was typing when I saw your response. Running it eod just seems like it would be great for the prop but you have got your other esters to think about as well. This blend also has 50mg of cyp and 50mg of enanthate. I have prop on hand so couldn't I just pin it at 50 mg on the 2 days I am not pinning the sust?
Yes the longer esters will build up.. But if its 350mg your shooting at the end of the week it's still 350mg.. My biggest point is unstable blood levels lead to more sides and less gains.. stuff like mood swings etc.. If it were my call I wouldn't even use sust.. I'd buy prop and test E separately to have better control over it then just do a prop kicker until the test E kicks in.. but thats just me.. If I was going to use the stuff your using I would use the sust like a kicker for 4 weeks.. Lower the dose but up the pinning to eod or ed.. If you do the math you will still get the same amount of gear per week just more pinning with less gear each time.. Then cruise the rest of your cycle with the cyp by dropping the sust on week 5
Sust was made for once a week trt treatment. Anyone running sust for prop is silly. Just add prop if needed. Just run it solo. That tiny lil prop wont even be felt. Test e or cyp is better for prop dosing imo.
Whats your ai? Why did you start without pct? Stats?
So are u saying sus should be shot once a week?? Seeing a lot of people doing at least 3 days per week...
AnonHe's sayin that's how it was designed to be used for trt. Trt doses are very low compared to what we're accustomed to. Also that a blend should never be used like prop - say for a kicker - just because it has prop in it. The longer esters are gonna build up. Problem with that is that when they run out, it's gonna be like a cliff, which means a delayed instability. Prop is cheaper and better for you in this regard.
Anontake down that source name, bro, and repost
TronThanks. Done bro.
Anonperfect