posted Wed, 10/31/2012 - 09:31
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feedback on runnig eq at slightly higher dose than test e on cycle
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What's up guys, I just want to get some responses on a quick question I have regarding test e/ eq cycles, for my next cycle I am planning on running test and eq, with test at 500 mg a week for 1-18 weeks and eq dosed at 600 mg a week for 16 weeks. I know for most test e and eq cycles usually test is at an equal or higher dose than eq, however I believe this is only mainly due to eq supressing libido which im not too concerned about.
. so my question is would 500 mg test e be fine, or should I really bump it up to 600? I would rather keep the test at 500 for now so I can see better results when I bump it up in the future... Let me know if you guys guys want more details on the cycle, my diet, training etc and ill post it up, thanks!
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Ok, well here's some more details:
24 yrs old 5'8 185 ish around 9%, going to diet for another few weeks to get to around 7%, then take a few weeks to transition into a bulk, then I will start the cycle, the plan is to work up to around 3500-4000 calories while on cycle, protein around 400g, carbs 350 or so, and the rest fats. I tend to blow up in bodyfat when I eat anything over 3000 calories so I will be watching this closely and doing cardio 3-4x a week. The plan is to go no higher than 10% bf this cycle because after this I will be getting ready for my first show next year, im done getting over 15% bf for no reason...
Been training seriously for almost 7 yrs, counting paying attention to diet, have never taken any sort of breaks from lifting, unless it was a week off specifically to rest and recover
for my training routine on cycle i have planned to do a combination of needsize's 5x5 routine and German volume training (10x10) so I will be deadlifting, squatting, and hitting each bodypart twice a week, I believe while on cycle my recovery will be decent enough for me to use this program, and it seems to me the best way to get the most out of this cycle.
This will be my 3rd cycle, first cycle was test e at 500mg for 12 weeks, second was 25 mg dbol wks 1-4 and test prop wks 1-8, I had to cut this cycle short due to a partial pec tear :(
All Previous cycles were done with hcg followed by nolva, clomid, and with arimadex on hand.
Now for this cycle, my plan is the following:
1-4 test prop 100 mg eod
1-16 eq 600 mg per week
1-16 test e 500 mg per week
17-18 test prop 100 mg eod
19-23 clomid 100/100/50/50
19-23 nolva 40/40/20/20
19-23 igf des/ mgf
And will be taking hcg starting around week 8 at 500 iu per week, arimadex starting week 3 .25mg eod
Hope this is enough details for now guys, but if not I'll post more later but my phone is about to run out of battery, thanks for the help.
You definitly have a great plan and layout. Yes...running the test lower like this lets the eq do its magic while the test keeps the strength/mass coming. If you're holding fat towards the end you can do the no carbs after two and drop it nicely. Some folks also for last 4 Weeks drop to 400 test....but that'd mainly for spring to be more cut for beach. Main idea though is yes...by manipulating the test you can modify water/fat retention. Clean foods as you described really dial it in for ya. Looks excellent!! Plus 1 karma for really showing you did your homework! High five!
ADD ONE WEEK EXTRA OF PROP END CYCLE......half life of boldenone u makes for 3 Weeks til pct.
Hey thanks man, im pretty ocd and like to have things planned out in general :). Ahh okay, I'll extend it another week for prop then. But you think i should be g2g with 500 mg of test e instead of 600 though? From what i can tell people mostly have test higher for libido purposes
Prebodybuilding contest youd run 250test/600eq for last couple Weeks to lest go of the water yet have good sex function. Or switch to prop during precontest dryout. So running at 500 is fine if your goal is lean muscle and finish looking good. You know slready that food dictates either bulk or lean. The cycle you posted should get a solid 12lbs and they're keepable.....not like a watery cycle where ya lose weight in water. Some folks run 600/600 til 4 Weeks before prop for the added mass then go lower test 400/600 for water drop/cuts. Its a solid cycle you posted. You'll do great.
Basically, with this being your third cycle and fresh receptors your posted cycle will be awesome! Ive run over a dozen thru my lufe and i am on 600eq/400test....i just lost a chunk of fat and am up 15lbs solid. I'm older too. The point is that these two compounds work together sweetly. Its not the cycle where you go up 25 lbs...which is great because those big mass cycles are done you'll drop 10-12 in water. Sending ya friend request. Test/eq is a long sliw steady grow. Thats how you keep the gains easier. Your body can adjust to the new myscle and learn how to maintain the new growth.
awesome, slow and steady sounds good to me if its all keepable for sure, thanks for the help man. and when you say for precontest using EQ i assume you mean a shorter ester of boldenone like acetate to reduce water retention? although i guess water retention really wouldnt matter until the last few weeks
Meaning that in a precontest situation....the EQ would be high like yours but test would be low. Like 600eq/prop 150eod. Manipulating the hormones and food for specific outcome.
aHhh okay I gotcha, thx bro
I am just ending my cycle of Test Cyp and EQ at 600mg a week(EQ 17 weeks and Test 20 weeks)and love(ing) the results. Fast48 prolly has more experience with it and gives great advice. Answer his questions and his advice will "blow you up!" lol
High five! Nice clean grow right?!
Like the guys say more stats please.
I love tesy/eq. Post stats and gosls plus prior use.. Lets blow you up!
I saw somewhere you are still on cycle right?... if so and you are going into the EBC i have a suggestion instead of changing compounds why not just up your EQ to 800mg pr wk and drop back the test to lets say 300mg max .. either stay on the E/C if thats what you are running now and or drop into a prop run... that stack with a var/winny finish would do the trick imo IF you get the diet spot on... just a thought whadya reckon.
Right after ebc pics posted i switched to 150prop eod/600eq. Strength has big leaped! So heres the thinking/overthinking. Prop has more bang because of its weight. So eq base should hit as hard by weight.
150prop
100 eq base
100 mast prop
Var
Last 2 Weeks may swap prop to 150 with 75prop for water drop. Plus the precontest tricks. Adjust?
Diet last time lost about 12lbs fat....so keep eating lean...hard in gym....3hrs cardio every day.
Yeah it makes sense with that stack... training i would go heavy as possible but look at hitting 12 rep sets,this will fire up the meta and with cardio i would go low impact all the way..if youre looking at 12lbs loss (fat) realistically this should be shifted in the first 6/8 wks from hardcore dieting to leave you a couple of weeks to fine tune water issues..(hit nolva at this stage).. IF you know how to carb/deplete/ load properly do this for the last 6 days.. 3 deplete 3 load... if not totally sure forget it you could fuck the whole thing up, so just reduce fluid intake by two thirds for the last week... iso-tension,dynamic tension flexing exercises from the day you start the new training plan to help harden and define and practice ab vacuum exercises to drag your abs backwards to help with the final "look".. i have noticed your PM re diet but cant get to it yet..this week sometime bro i will deal with it ok.
No rush at all on the pm. Workouts...yes. Going to work hard on slow up/down(press example)...drop fast/no rest...hit again...repeat. Run the rack the old way. Yes...low impact easy breathing cardio so no/lil mass lost. Last time i dropped water to 2 cups/day....then found out my Winny was low dose dbol. Thl scam lab. Lost the striations abs i had week pripr. Lol. All good gear this time. Have nolva and possibly will crash estro if needed. Carb unload/load...will need practice. Been years since ive hard cut.