+ 17 Equipoise, Equipoise, and more Equipoise
Alright guys. I see a lottttt of guys on here using Equipoise in their cycles. There are also many guys asking about it and why it’s so popular. So I did some research.
Equipoise is the common name for the steroid boldenone undecylenate. It was originally used by vets who treated horses with Equipoise and turns out the side effects were some lean, muscular, much stronger horses. So what’s good for horses is good for us right? Well in this case turns out yes, if it is used responsibly of course. Before I get into the benefits of equipoise let me fill in the guys that don’t know what exactly equipoise is. Equipoise, or Eq, was first created as a long acting injectable d-bol. However Eq. and d-bol are not the same and have some vast differences. Eq is essentially a derivative of testosterone with only a couple of changes to its structure (Double bonded C=C and its chain is One carbon longer than testosterone.) Eq did come out as a long acting steroid and it should not be run less than 12 weeks because of its long ester, which is caused by the undec- portion of its name, which I learned studying organic chem means a 11 carbon parent chain. Being similar to Testosterone, equipoise shares a lot of similarities with test. Eq and test share roughly the same anabolic effect yet EQ converts to estrogen about half of what testosterone does. As any steroid, Eq should be used with testosterone. As I mentioned Eq needs to be run for a minimal of 12 weeks as it will give the user slow but steady gains during cycle. Equipoise is a relatively safe steroid to use (obviously if used wisely) so it’s a compound that you could add after you’ve had a few cycles of testosterone under your belt. A typical dose of Eq added to a cycle for the first time is between 400-600mg per week.
So what are some benefits of Eq other than putting on some size. Eq actually has some other benefits to the user.
LOW CONVERSION TO ESTROGEN - As I mentioned earlier one benefit of Eq is the slow conversion rate to estrogen so it can be used in relatively high doses. You often see EXPERIENCED guys using a gram a week of EQ because it has such a slow conversion rate to estrogen (I’m not recommending that dose to anyone that dose is only for a professional or someone who is experienced enough) .
FEMALES USE – Eq has little to no virilization effect on women when used on a low dose 50-150mg per week. Virilization is what causes women to develop manly characteristics such as deepening of voice, increase in body and facial hair, Acne, and oily skin. I’m sure there are a few more.
INCREASE IN RBCs – Equipoise increases the amount of red blood cells in your body. This is turn results in an increase of oxygen flowing through your blood which gives you better pumps in the gym and increasing vascularity. Also the increase in RBCs will improve your ability and endurance to do more cardio packed workouts. A measure called hematocrit or HCT is the measure in volume of Red blood cells per volume of blood. Normal HCT levels in men is between 41-53 percent.
INCREASE IN APPETITE – I don’t think I need to go into detail here
These are just some things I came across in my research. Feel free to add more info below.
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I'm about to run EQ again. It's really one of my favorite compounds because of the dense lean look it gives.
Not sure if this was mentioned below but be careful with RBC and Hematocrit levels, because if hematocrit gets above a certain level your risk for stroke increases. Donate blood after being on EQ a while and with any cycle/blast make sure you get periodic bloodwork done.
MaximusMLMakes me vascular as hell but watch for the RBC elevating and that blood pressure lol. Mine never got high, guess I'm lucky
Week 10 on EQ along with Proviron (600mgs./75mgs respectively) and love the slow steady progress I've made so far. First run with it and so far no sides; not a single zit and an overall sense of well being, love the Superman feeling of this combination at my age (46) that's the main benefit I love with this compound and don't mind the turtle pace it takes to have any effect, in my case, it was until week 7 I started to notice its effects and it's been steady from there on. Did not want to take any chances with high RBC and made my first blood donation after 23 years on May 2 and have my next one on July 2. Being O Rh- makes it a lot easier and even though my BP is borderline high along with the iron, Red Cross don't mind and will gladly bleed me anyway, Lucky me!
Cardio has improved a little, not as much as I thought it would, but still noticeable enough along with the pumps and vascularity on my forearms, which I definitely love!
In terms of joint relief, compared to the Deca cycle I did this time last year, Deca beats Eq in that sense, since it literally healed my bad shoulder completely. I had a recurring bad tennis/ golfer elbow bout prior to starting this cycle and it's not until now that I'm starting to notice relief and my post workout pain in my joints is unnoticeable.
Got 5 more weeks left on this cycle and I bet the addition of test would add more bang to this cycle, but wanted to check Eq's effectiveness on its on, and so far, so good!
Very mild cycle, and really appreciate the lack of overall side effects this compound brings, especially for old farts like myself, which makes it a nice addition to any cycle IMO.
just wanted to bump this thread and share my experiences for anyone interested in using this compound safely.
Good Luck Brothers!
Don't forget one of the nastiest sides of EQ with all that increase in RBC is high, even ultra-high blood pressure. Personal experience confirmed by many many others.
Damn, I was glad to see that you were chiming in here! Really respect your writing and opinions. I would definitely keep an eye on bp and plan donations if I were going to run eq. So you like the 2:1 with test?
There is no set ratio with EQ. If it was your first run and let's say u had Test at 500 - EQ could be at 400 and work fine for a first time out. The key is to run it 16-20 weeks.
Cool. Thank you. Everyone agrees to run eq for a long time because of the long ester. That ratio is what Im researching the most.
I found this post particularly helpful and informative in my research, so Im bumping it to update knowledge with further experiences.
Ive seen a lot of advice lean toward running eq 2:1 with test and theres plenty of info... just looking for a fresh perspective.
Very helpful post. I am currently looking into running EQ at aid in joint pain. The break down and explanation of the compound was very helpful to me. Thank you
Bold is known to be pretty mild for the most part even in women. Though there are some reports of deepening of voice fyi.
Also remember anavar is good for joints too
Yes, this is a good possibility. But in low doses, the experience I've witnessed first hand in women, its more of a raspy or hoarse voice. Not really deep.
Yeah... I don't want anything that will change my voice.. it's suited perfectly to me..
well I think it's more noticeable if you have a really high pitched little girl voice. I know a girl at my gym that runs gear and I help spot her sometimes and not gonna lie I kinda think her slightly cracked voice is sexy. It's pretty much unnoticeable
You could always try short acting EQ - boldenone acetate. But be aware, it's a very painful injection for most people. But if you tried Bold Ace(EQ ace) then if you notice any signs of raspy voice you can stop the injections and the acetate will be out of your system in 2 days. Unlike regular EQ which is 15 days. So that should give you a chance to stop before any long term voice changes develop. Again this is a possibility not guaranteed. I think if you run high dose pure testosterone then yes you should expect a deepening of voice but EQ is not super androgenic.
I love EQ but I never notice any relief in joint pain. Deca is good for joint pain
Can someone touch on accurate dosing between test and EQ, i havent been able to find any facts about the proper ratio... some say higher EQ and some say equal amounts...
haven't even started my first cycle but i'm already planning my second. probs gonna end up running test e and either primo/masterdon/or EQ
LOve eq last cycle was test e 600mg and eq 600mg per week i ran it for 20 weeks and at about week 10 i really started to get some great lean gains
love me some eq
I am actually running the exact cycle(compounds/duration). EQ is probably one of the best compounds I've ever used.
My last cycle was test eq and I got a really nice finish from it. Would test, eq, primo be the ultimate stack for lean gains?
i run now eq in my cycle.i am now25days and i see great results.i combine with winny .very good results i've notice in spead and treamil also.+1 to this article
Good read, my next cycle will have EQ in it. Bulk for my upcoming show... + from me
Good job bro for some one like me who has run lots of stuff but never ran eq it was a good read +1
DOUBLE G 67AND GORILLAGEAR HAS A TRIBOLD NOW!!! EQ BASE(OR ACE, YOUR CHOICE)EQ CYP,EQ UNDEC..!!!!
Badass I wish bold ace was more common. Only know of 2 sources now
Get your gorilla Ass Out of here bro!!!!!! LMAO
I love EQ! It's an amazing compound when ran the right way. For me it means long and a higher dose. My last cycle I started out at 600mg a wk and I did ok. Shit I did damn good. But later in the cycle I hit a bit of a plateau and decide I'd up the dose to 900mg wk and wow. I really noticed it's mass gaining properties. All in all I ran 24 wks last cycle with a short break in between a short ester run in feb to a long ester run which I ended two wks ago. EQ has so many good qualities and almost no bad. Other than having to run it long and it makes u so fucking hungry if ur on a restricted diet it makes life hell. Probably what I loved most was the vascularity increase. It just makes the skin so thin and ur veins are so full from the RBC boost that I was finding veins in new places. Down my calves on my upper chest on my tris. It really is a wonderful compliment to test and when ran low is great for crossfit guys and when ran high it's awesome for BBing and putting on dense quality mass. This next run I'm sticking to 900mg wk minimum and going for at least 20wks. I didn't really see my biggest gains until after wk 14-15. Also a small note that I love tren and when I introduced tren to the end of last cycle I made sure to check my BP daily and I should add that since tren also increases RBC it can be a dangerous combination. I get BP meds prescribed for my big runs and I made sure I took it everyday. So if ur planning on running both be prepared for hi BP. Take the appropriate measures before cycle to always be safe.
Just to satisfy my interest, what was your test levels per week? I ran 600 test and 600 eq with a nice dry finish.
I ran 900mg a week for the first 16 wks and lowered it when I added tren to the last 8 wks of cycle. It was a long long cycle. It's not for just anybody
Got ya.
Some say anything over 600mg/wk is wasted!... believe me brother when i say the higher the dose when you have got used to EQ the better the final result.. just like primo in that respect.. my sweet spot with EQ is 800mg/wk with primo its 1200mg/wk... you have to use the compound time over to find what dose works best for yourself depending also on what type of physical condition you are in at the specific time you crack the run up., leaner start line is better with both these compounds moreso with primo but even with EQ if condition is poor results will also be off par.
I look forward to another run of test eq. Possibly try 750 eq and 600 test.
zewiIMO you either are a 600mg guy or an 800mg guy when it comes to EQ.. So go 800mg
Sounds good:)
Endurance! The gym is all go go go with great recovery. Just beware that you're not damaging yourself in that fast recovery. Strengthens connective tissue. And since you mentioned hematocrit...vascular...and pump. It helps there as well. Harder, thicker, stronger. Bob got enzyte.. I got an assload of eq ;)