oils vs orals.
Been reading around and havent found a solid post on this subject so any advice is more then welcomed.
I am 38and married.. so would like to try and keep the injectables out of the equation as my wife would quite frankly cut my balls off and feed them to the dog if she found out i was using gear.
I am sure there's a "Where there's a will there's a way" sort of zen about it..but as for now while im doing my research, i have to ask..if you could find the same product in oral form opposed to injectable..how much effect would you lose?
Like for a first cycle i would like to do
500 mg TestE week 1-12
50mg Dbol week 1-6
12.5 Aromasin week 4-12
40 Nolvadex week 14-17
100 to 50 Clomid week 14-17
Thanks all again any thoughts are welcomed!
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I've done one cycle so far. I'm single. Starting to get kinda serious with this chick I'm with now. Planning a cycle to start in november, I don't want to hide it from her and I'd like to her to help with pinning. We had never discussed anything roids and she knew nothing about me doing them in the past. I downloaded Bigger Stronger Faster onto my laptop (torrent). She came over, ready to go out. I wasn't ready so before I got in the shower I said here, watch this movie, it's a documentary but it's really entertaining. After a few drinks that night I brought it up, "so how do you feel about that?" etc... finally got to the point and said, I've done it. After the surprise and explaining how it can be done safely told her I will do it again.
Go about it the right way and she might be ok with it. I read about Bigger Stronger Faster in another post, suggested by GRRRL (thanks :wink:) to show to a girlfriend/wife. And it worked for me. I don't know if she's gonna help with pinning, but I'll get to that when the time comes. Get her on board, then get everything you need in hand, go with cycle recommended by cdaddy.
haven't found a solid post on the subject? aka a post you wanted to hear.
listen man I'm in the same boat. My gf is str8 edge and we have been living together for a couple years now. I gave up gear when we moved in together cause I wasn't willing to risk it. I've been back on again with 2 cycles lately and feeling better about the way I look. Not going to go overboard and make it obvious. If she finds out I'm sunk. It's better to ask forgiveness the permission in this case. But forgiveness isn't going to come easy. You need to include an injectible to make a cycle worth it imo. I'm on test/var right now. I put the var in a strange brand of vitamin bottle and keep that bottle hidden. I keep my test hidden in with some winter sweaters she would never look in. I blacked out the label on the test bottle. But obviously I don't want her to find it. I keep my pins hidden in my car and bring one in at a time...only when she is out of the house and only when I'm about to shoot. I use long esters to keep injects to once a week. The most stressful thing is ordering. You'll figure out a way to hide it. She just thinks I've been hitting the gym harder. When you see someone everyday it's hard to see the morphing. You'll do fine.
bang on buddy.. thank's for taking time to post ..if i could karma you i would!
Unfortunately in this game science over rides philosophy. Oral only is bad for reasons with your liver and many others . Injecting is the only way. Sorry to tell you my man but that is the truth. Find a good hiding place, get the shit shipped to a friends house and there has to be times that you are alone when she is in her weekly routine. Plan your cycle around her routine. AND first cycle listen to CD down below. You said when there is a will there is a way? Then find it to make THIS work. Good Luck.
if you pin anywhere on your legs like quads, you will experience post injection pain to the point where you limp around.(virgin muscle) That would be difficult to explain.
There are two types of anabolic steroids – orals and injectables. Besides the obvious differences in delivery method, orals have much shorter half-lives than injectables. The half-life of most orals is 3-5 hours. The main consequences of the short half-life is that (a) they must be taken much more frequently than injectables (b) they are designed to withstand the digestive system as well as a trip through the liver and thus must be taken in larger doses than injectables.
Often oral steroids are methylated to decrease degradation as they pass through the liver. As a consequence, such drugs alter liver enzyme levels and can cause hepatoxicity. Methylation may also increase aromatization to estrogen.
Injectables tend to have longer half-lives (increased serum testosterone levels may
last up to 14 days). For this reason athletes tend not to take injectable steroids before competition because they are easy to detect.
AnonThe amount of testogel you would have to eat to get 500mg a week would be crazy. You need a test base also for dbol. Oral only cycles are not the way to go. They blow you up then when you stop you deflate so zero point in oral only. Best bet is drop a few hints to the wife and try and talk her round. Or say nothing and pin in the gym
No oral only cycles, waste of time, money and effort. Most importantly greater liver toxicity, which isn't to be messed around with.
Understand what you're saying about the wife. In fact her indoors here banned me some time ago, I'm just a lot sneaker than I used to be
if you're going to run a cycle, you're using pins to be honest.
Don't like your inclusion of dbol on your first cycle mate. Test e only first cycle, find out how your body reacts to one compound before you add in any more.
Any help I can offer (including where to hide the shit from the mrs) just shout.
i certainly appreciate the advice, glad you understand where im coming from. I might need a few good spots lol.
If you are serious about the bodybuilding lifestyle, your health and well-being then i would seriously re-consider your thoughts in doing an oral only cycle.
cdaddy7Drop the Dbol bc its your first cycle...Aromasin should be started no later that week 3 every other day and is run up to the day u start your PCT..Your PCT needs work...Your 1st cycle should look EXACTLY like this...Very simple yet effective and at 38 years old you will see the difference in many other ways too...Like pep in your step, morning wood, libido like a teenager, improved mood, sense of well being...And you will increase in muscle mass and strength...
Week 1-12 Test E @ 500mg/week split doses(250mg twice a week Mon and Thurs)
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD and start no later than week 3 and continue until the day of your PCT
15 days after your last injection of Test your PCT begins:
Week 1 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 2 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 3 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
Week 4 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
Read this
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/first-time-cycle-...
Thanks for the nice tweak in cycle. Very sound by the look of it. I think this is the route ill try first. If i could rep you i would mate thanks alot!
Stay away from the orals bro...liver killer. Oils are gain keepers anyways.
Absolutely and thanks for some feedback.
Oral only cycle will kill the liver. Best to just be upfront with the wife. Dont make me suspend your man card.
i couldnt help but laugh, and your right. Hard step to do but worth it in the end. Thanks!