Test e/deca/dbol cycle
Hey fella's,
Getn ready to start this cycle as soon as my ancillaries arrive. Which will be hcg,aromasin,letro,caber,clomid,and nolva. I will be running test e at 600 mg pw for 14 wks and the deca at 400mg pw for 12 wks split into two injections.I will be doing a dbol kick start for weeks 1-4 at 50mg because I have 25mg caps. I have not been prone to sides as of yet so im going to wait till i start getting high estro symptoms before i start any ai's.i will run hcg from week 4-14 at 500 iu pw split into two injections. I will be taking tudca/udca for liver support along with coq10 and nac. I am going to be averaging around 4500 cal a day as clean as possible. Once everything is in my hands I am going to plan my entire 98 days of meals which will just be a mix up of the same meals most likely. My pct will be hcg at 500 iu per day after my last injection for ten days. And clomid at 100/50/50/50 and nolva at 40/40/20/20. I am 23 5'8 195 pounds 12.1% bf just got done with a real bad case of poison ivy so couldn't get my flex on for a month n lost about eight pounds. So by the time I get the rest of my supplies I hope to be back to 203. I have previously done a test e cycle at 12 wks with a dbol kick start at 40 mgs Weeks 1-4 about a year ago. I have been training for 5 years with a year long break In between due to medical issues. Any tips for this cycle will be greatly appreciated.
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Ok bud....legit need for knees. Drop the deca down to 250 for knee relief but yoy already know that you're gonna just have it for life. Since knees are damaged try working med weight with drop sets instead of going super heavy. The deca will make joints feel better but still remember go for pump vs heavy. I'm not a huge fan of dbol because it makes ya puffy if not used right. Keep gallon/day water intake. Very low salt. Aromasin is great at estro control. Keep us updated.
Taper dbol to avoid big energy crash. Week 5 half dose.
Thank you for the advice. I will drop it down. If you think it's better to not run at all I will go that way as I have learned to live with pain and go for the pump vs the weight. And I will get some prop in to replace the dbol and use that as the kick start. But if you think running the deca at 250 wk will be fine I will roll that way. I will have everything to combat sides and know what to look for just never experienced any sides as of yet(knock on wood). I get the rest of my ancillaries in the next week or so and am going to start getn used to the more calorie intake and will start at the end of the month. I will keep you guys updated. Thanks again for the advice I value it. Not many people around my town know their a** from their elbows so this site has helped me gain a vast amount of knowledge.
Personally I think he is better of not taking DECA or DBol just yet, just pump your legs as fast said don't do to much weight, I have knee problems as well, from sports when I was younger, dislocated them, you will grow them just stick to what fast said, but personally I wouldn't run that stuff yet, but it's your choice, if you do run it, do as fast said, stay safe, have all your AI on deck, diet and water intake high!
Agree. Knees are lifetime. Hopefully he'll reconsider. But with more knowledge it will keep him from going overboard. If it was me....prop kicker/test e. Safer on the whole system. Less worries on knees as well because when they "feel good" they're still being worn.
Lots for him to consider.
I value your opinions and seen how you have helped many so I will take your guys knowledge to heart. The knee problems suck! Sorry to hear you got em too.
That's HUGE for second cycle. I wouldn't advise it. Simple 500test with prop kicker. You're about to go from basic cycle to mad dadh of gyno/estro/prolactin and puffer up like a fish. Oversaturate the receptors etc.
I will vouch for this
listen to fast, simple is better! after 4-5 cycles than start going off and stacking big stuff, but for now simple Test e 500 with a 100mg prop kicker eod would be well, the prop will kick start it, kick in after 3-4 days, run it for 4 weeks, than run the test e for 12 weeks, you should gain a good 20 pound solid mass off your second cycle running like this 
Thank you for the advice much appreciated. How long did you wait to include deca in your cycles? Only reason I wanted to throw it in there was because I have a bad case of chondromalacia in both my knees from motocross. It completely destroyed the cartridge underneath my knee caps and off set my patellas.so I can't really work my legs as hard as I like.
Ive avoided the deca so far. Didn't want added hassle of prolactin sides and the compounds i use keeps working great. Eq helps the connective tissues but you're thinking deka for the water/joint help?
Ya main reason but heard of great gains from it. I've been doing research on eq and deca and chose deca just cuz of how long you have to run eq to get the good effects.
Just remember....knees for life. Pump vs heavy.
EQ is more mild, than DECA just because you run one longer doesn't mean it will give worse side effects always remember that, just think of it like this, Dbol you only run for 4 weeks, does that mean it's the safest? Absolutely not it has a lot of side effects people don't and can't handle and is harsh on the liver!
Absolutely agree. Only thing I was hesitant about was running the test that long. so would it be a good idea to run the hcg as well on the eq cycle. To combat shrinkage? I'll still wait to run n e thing but the test till fourth plus cycle. One good thing about that is I already have everything for those future cycles
You should "ATLEAST" wait till cycle 3 but most people will advise it would even be better to wait till 4, keep in simple for first few cycles and you will grow!
Thanks brotha I appreciate it! Do you have any advice for the joint/knee pain during cycle? I take glucosamine but still hinders workouts. This cycle I really wanted to focus on the growth of my legs the pain just gets in the way during heavy leg workouts.
Yes as fast said down there, deca only helps the joint while on cycle, once you get off they're still not good, I would go to the doctor and see what he has to say maybe surgery!? Last thing you want to do is take a steroid for joint problems, and it make it feel better and you get hooked on it and want to run it all the time!
Thanks brotha I appreciate it! Do you have any advice for the joint/knee pain during cycle? I take glucosamine but still hinders workouts. This cycle I really wanted to focus on the growth of my legs the pain just gets in the way during heavy leg workouts?
Biggest problem with that type of pain is deka can help relieve but only while on cycle.
True. I have really slow gains on legs cuz of the lighter weights so I figured while I was lifting more on cycle I would have that extra support and maintain and deal with the usual pain afterwards. But better feeling joints and b**** tits or good gains still and joint pain I'll take the joint pain all day lol.