posted Wed, 06/13/2012 - 07:47
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Is my stack legit?
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This will be my third cycle ran. I have experienced EQ, Test Cyp, Winstrol, Sust and Primo in the past. I am planning on running Test400 (800/wk) EQ (600/wk), Winstrol Depot (50mg/ED) and oral Dianabol (40mg/ED/at 3 dif times). I have never used Dianabol or injectable winny. What are thoughts on this stack.
I am currently 6'3", 233lbs, 10%bf....
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23 yrs old running stacks like this phew nearly as crazy has i was at your age! i know you will run it anyway so imo drop the d/bol first off and let us know how long this cycle is planned to run,only reason i am engaging here is the fact you are a big boy and your BF looks good.
Ha yeah been big forever just hit a major plateau with size and strength. My diet is almost perfect but figured this would get me where I wanna go. Last cycle I ran was cyp, eq, sust and winny and I got huge but bloated as hell. I started that cycle at 212 and by end of week 12 I was 254. My bf was 8 and ended at 9.3 so not much fat but damn was I puffy. Thanks for the imput. I never tried Dbol... and looks like I wont for now. I am planning on this cycle to be a 12 weeker. So you think Winny, Test E and EQ are enough? I dont wanna blow up so thats why I like EQ but is there enough there to get me up in lean mass and strength?
Im looking at all your numbers here and im wondering something! when did you start PCT on your last cycle? Also im I correct in saying that your last cycle was 12 weeks? If so we need to dial you in on a few things but before I commit to anything I need to know when you started PCT.
I started my last PCT 21 days after my last pin, took nolva and clomid. Yes it was 12 weeks. Thought it went well since both my first run and this past one I never had any sides except bloating during the cycle but no abnormal sides and I was able to keep a decent amount of my gains
What is your age? The dosages may be a bit on the high side. Its not a bad cycle, just needs to be tweaked and reorganized. Dbol is generally used for the first three to four weeks of your cycle. This helps to kick start things while you're waiting for the long estered test to kick in. Also, it can cause a ton of bloat from water retention. Running it at the beginning will give you time to get the water weight back off. Though the cyp is gonna cause a certain degree of retention in it's self. I'd run the cyp at 500mg - 600mg per week split M-Th. The eq will need to be ran at 400mg - 500mg per week, and in my opinion should be ran for around 15 weeks in order to fully benefit from it. Only your third cycle, you probably shouldn't run that long. I'm not a big winny fan, especially the water based. The pip is not worth the gains for me. It should be ran on the back end of your cycle to help harden you up and increase vascularity. 50mg ed is fine. You shouldn't have any aromatizing issues with the eq or the winny, but you may with the cyp and dbol. Have adex or letro on hand or run an AI ed or eod. I run aromasin at 12.5 mg eod. Never have any estrogen related issues. Good luck bro. Hope this helps.
23, Last cycle was (keep sounding redundant in reposts) cyp @ 600/wk, EQ@ 600/wk winny 50/ED and Sust 500/wk. So if no Dbol then what, if anything should I look into? Couple other bros in here say prop, which I am looking into. I like your dosing schedule. The winny is oil based... stanzoil, took the tabs last time and didnt like it. I have adex but what else is a good AI? I have nolva and clomid for PCT
Prop is my preference throughout the whole cycle to be honest. If you have no issues with daily pins than it's the way to go. Dbol can be pretty harsh on a lot of people and at your age, I'd just leave it alone. The injectable winny is reportedly less toxic on your liver since it does not have to be broken down and ran through a second pass like the tabs. Some of the vets may disagree, but I think with your bf where it is, winny would do well for you. My only concern is that you are young and injectable or not, winstrol is pretty rough on the liver. Make sure you run a quality liver support supplement. I've used Liv52 I believe it's called. You should be fine with adex. You honestly know way more about this than I ever did at your age. Thank god for the internet.
haha true bro, I have looked into this since I was 16 and watched fools in HSchool try stuff n fail. I will def leave Dbol alone, i appriciate your input. I think winny will be good, idk maybe I got bad tabs last time. I am looking into prop but you said you ran it all the way? You think thats too much for me? i really just wanted to kick start my cycle since EQ and Test E are long ester and the winny is in the later part of my cycle... what do you think
Yeah for you I would just run the prop for the first two weeks. Make sure you're pinning the test e during that time as well. I just have a preference for prop, and short estered compounds in general because I like to be able to control things more. For you, keep it simple and you'll have more success.
Bad. Two liver busters together. Skip dbol. Run Winny last 4-5 Weeks. If you do a kicker then use prop forst 4 Weeks.
Ai and pct?
I was gunna run winny 7 weeks you really think I shoudl dump it to 4-5 weeks? Not a huge change. The Dbol was only for the first 4-6 weeks is that still bad even though seperated from winny? Test Prop even though im on Test E?
Your liver will already be working hard enough. Most Winny cycles never include another 17aa or go very long for health reasons.
Prop is better if you use kicker but at your age simple is better. List a cycle for Viking as he's skilled. If you get used to huge cycles now....just to keep thick when older you're gonna have five compounds and 2000Mg/wk. You'll grow fast on lighter cycles at your age. Most folks suggest waiting til well over 25 for first cycle so you don't stunt your Max potentials. Winny at end helps the androgens work better and shed excess water.
Good stuff bro +3 top info
Welcome to level 1 brother.
Trying to learn...grow and share big bro! Crap now gotta change name to fast50¡! Lol!
You do well on here i see you active every day joining in and sharing knowledge! thats what its all about bro keep it up you deserve the karma
And suggest 500 test ....400eq. Only 3rd cycle...don't wanna have to run huge cycles til necessary.
true, shit I was on 600 Test last time and 600EQ, you think that will screw anything up this time?