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Cutting Stack - Anavar/Winstrol?

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Hi Guys,

I am currently on a vicious cut. Been losing 1-2lb's a week for the last few months. Progress has been good, diet has been solid and I have noticed slow strength gains in the gym. I have been adjusting my diet to decrease in macros as I lose weight, but the last 3/4 weeks I have really plateaued on loss. I will incorporate more HIIT and LIIS cardio in the coming weeks.

My question is what would be the best substance to take which will give me slow and permanent muscle gains whilst shedding fat? I understand i'll still need to eat with discipline but im looking for a booster.

I have researched Anavar and Winstrol, any thoughts? Anavar is appealing because its low in toxicity and fairly mild and I've never taken anything from this area of the "market" before. Would this be good to run for 8 or so weeks while taking a form of liver support and then a PCT at the end?

Anyone has any good/bad results on it?

gcgeargold's picture

put simply, best way to lose fat is to build muscle. Only way u loose fat is if you're burning more than you're putting in. If your fat loss has slowed down and still at 25% then look at your training.. Do exercises that burn alot of energy push HEAVY weights, exercises like squats dead lifts, leg press shred fat off. Don't rely on gear to make u thin. If you're not training right, unless you're taking dangerous amounts of gear you'll never have a 6 pack

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Thank you for the reply.

I also think I am very carb sensitive, I might even drop them as low as 150g a day while keeping my protein at 1gram per 1 lb bodyweight. I think im set on the idea now of dropping my bodyfat to below 20% before I consider an AAS.
In terms of compound exercises I love them, today was a squat day and my strength has gone up pretty well, not sure what someone with my stats are supposed to squat but 5x350lbs was the highest I went with a trainer checking my form to ensure I wouldn't damage the lower back or knees, he said that was a respectable about. Can't wait until I can actually bulk.

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Not cycled anything before. Stars are 5'11 239lbs bodyfat around 25%. I lift 4 days a week mixture of isolation and compound lifts while cutting at 2600 calories, 240g protein 200g carb and 75g fats. Really looking for some direction to transform from fat to ripped. Doing fine ATM but its so slo! I'm a total beginner to this though and injecting 4/5 things at once is more than daunting, I'd like to start small if possible.

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Thanks if I was to go Keto, i'd probably do the PSMF diet( also called rapid fat loss) I have considered it, but one of my concerns with this was the fact some of the people seemed to just look like a smaller version of themselves, I can't explain it because I know there is little muscle breakdown also. I might seriously try the PSMF diet. There was a guy on another forum who ran"

1-10 250mg test e
1-13 80mg var ed
.5mg adex eod

He did this for 13 weeks and the results he made are frighteningly good. Its so tempted to turn to the dark side because results come so much quicker and faster.

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Thanks for the reply!

I am 26, been lifting heavy for about a year when I decided to turn my life around.
I am 240 now but was a lot heavier, it is literally an addiction. I want to get ripped as fuark, I don't want to be the average guy any more that just becomes thin/toned, I don't want to become too big the other way but definitely enough to look incredible. The more reading I do, I guess its safer to inject than take oral which I would never have considered before. Equally, I don't want to be a fat guy with muscle so i'd love to decrease bodyfat while increasing muscle at the same time, eventually to the point im 220 with pure muscle or so! Not much to ask right? I am all about safety and precautions though so if people on here tell me to stay clear of something I will definitely do so.

brum's picture

i would be losing the fat first off before hitting any gear oral or injects.

i would go with a basic eca stack ( ephedrine, caffine, asprin) for 2 weeks then swap over to clen for 2 weeks then flip back to eca stack for a further 2 weeks.

if you have everything else down to a tea, you should see a good amount of fat loss from that

just up your cardio and lower your calories, there is no way you should be having 2600 calories if you are 25% body fat and looking to shed fat.

you need to drop to around 2000 calories ( good calories), keep protein high carbs low drink plenty of water

6 to 8 weeks of following that SHOULD see you losing a lot of fat.

i personally wouldnt use gear until i was under 20% body fat as what ever you gain will be hidden under a layer of fat.

once you have got a lot of fat off, then look at changing your training from mostly cardio to mostly weights

if you get to 20% body fat after your 6 to 8 weeks cut then you could try throwing a 10 day DNP cycle into the end of it to maximise your efforts ( without taking any other fat loss stims/ chems)

there isnt much point taking something like winny if you are going to be doing hiit and loads of cardio while carrying extra weight, it will put more pressure on your joints and you will end up not wanting to do cardio, so it would most likely be counter productive.

it may sound boring or against what you want to achieve, but leaning out and then packing the muscle on is far better than trying to pack on muscle while increasing your body fat when it is already too much. you would just end up looking big but fat, then when you come to cutting you would need to do it 3 times as long and lose most of your size.

you need to eat more calories than you burn in order to build more muscle, not something you should be doing at 25% body fat.

only my point of view mind, im sure there are a million suggestions people will come up with.

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Thanks for he response, some good points there. How effective is an EC stack? I am starting a natural test booster this week also, so wondering if I should combine the two. I am looking to build muscle slowly do when my body fat is low enough I'll have good definition

shrapnel's picture

Eca stack is VERY effective if diet is good and cardio is good! Dont abuse it!