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Just curious if you happened to be having a problem estrogen levels while running can you throw in nolva to counter act. I was reading up on a issue were if your body sense a excessive amounts of test or you levels go completely crazy on you your test.can actually turn into estrogen. Can you turn back this cycle by throwing in nolva chlomid. I need to get my blood levels checked and i dont want to see my doctor. And I have to hide this from my insurance, even though I started a cycle and already had a hiccup. In it im wondering if my estrogen levels to test levels are screwed. I was feeling super good at first in the gym eating right feeling good like on test p and e good. And then all of a sudden i am like some chick emotional upset not tbinking like i normally would. I have been asking a ton of ??? Everywhere and I am waiting for the best answer. Should i stop and start a clean slate if only being in my 3rd week or can i correct this by throwing in nolvadex chlomadex or will my masteron pull me the fuck out of this funk.

fast48's picture

The deca will show up for many months

joker's picture

What do i do stop cycle of deca, or continue. The pred is helping with joint pain my whole concern is the sudden impact of pred in my system. Is it going to cause adverse side effects?

fast48's picture

First is to research so you do a good cycle and grow without issue. We recommended a 2:1 ratio. Yet your math still has deca waaay higher. Ratio is a guideline til it works for you. Research first cycles in forums. Suggest you restart later with first cycle. Research caber....ai....pct.....test/deca cycles. Know about cortico steroids like prednisone and deca lowering cortisols. Research prolactin. Your bad math on the 2:1 test being the 2.......youre gonna get leaky nipples and deca Dick. Research that as well. Deca can relieve joint pain.....but you've not done the math or research which ruins ylur health. Test is test. Test prop is test. Test enan is test! Npp is 19nor.......deca is 19nor....laurabolin is 19nor. So add those WEEKLY TOTALS! You gotta study first. Its your health.

joker's picture

I was looking to drop NPP now! And just stay on deca I haven't ran into any major sides yet thats why I am asking? ? I did some reading last night on the potency of NPP and deca combined and it is to high but when my arthritic flare started I stopped deca in my second week everything else stayed the same. Now i am looking to drop the NPP and bring back the deca with the test and that should level me out 2:1 or better test-deca. I am needing a blood panel! I guess if i have to i go into a clinic anonymously. I dont want my doctor to know.

Cmac100ci's picture

Sounds like you need an AI not a serm. Nolva does have it's place in OCT as does Proviron. Neither have the effect an AI will have. Adex-Aromasin is what you should be using for excess Estro. Either will work.

joker's picture

I started taking .25 of 1mg adex eod a week ago in fear of this. I am going to lay off the deca untill i am done with prednisone i believe there is a combat of chemicals with the 2 together one helps a problem while other stops it from helping. I am fucking confused and about take a hit of test prop 100mg/ml 1cc of enduruxx and mas 100mg/ml. .75cc i have to balance to balance something out. With the pain i was able to deal with test deca npp and then doc threw in prednisone and fucked me up or I am just having a bad week.

Cmac100ci's picture

Honestly each time I have been on prednisone I couldn't tell you if I got any relief or not. But since it is essentially an anti-inflammatory steroid and Deca is known for water retention I would agree they are counter acting eachother. Also keep in mind that Prednisone is known to increase depression and emotion instability. Sounds like this may be happening to you. Careful with the Mast/Prednisone/adex combo since all three will zap the water from you. Too much water is bad but too little is just as bad.

joker's picture

This is complicated. This is what my cycle was starting off as and then i was hit with a weird arthritic flare causing pain in my hands and lower left back. So my doses dropped and i tapered down in order help with any abnormal sides. So its hard to explain but i will give it to you as i did this. I steered away from my original cycle plan in order to combat anything. This is how I started.
Test e 250mg/ml 1cc week
test p 100mg/ml 1cc ed/eod
NPP 100mg/ml 1cc eod to every 3 days
Deca 250mg/ml 1cc a week and stopped in week 2 in fear of unknown pain
Hcg 500iu a week split in half
I was only in the end of my 3rd week my dr sticks me on prednisone for this arthritic flare. For a week and i feel like i am niether coming nor going. So now i am like WTF.

finafan's picture

post what you are on and the doses.
stats are Stats Age: 37
Height: 6
Weight: 198
BF: roughly 15%

PapaPumps's picture

u need to do more research and next time when u ask a question let us kno a little more about ..age,stats,cycle history, training experience..at least put your dose bro i can't help u with no info

fast48's picture

Last night he made two post and deca was nearly twice his test. He has no idea on caber. No idea on ai. Had flareup of arthoritus so got prednisone......corticosteroid vs deca issue. Told him research and 2:1 test higher and his new idea still had it backwards. He needs research first then come back to grow. Hope you're doin well Papa!