posted Sun, 02/05/2012 - 13:58
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Oils VS Pills
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I am new to this site so if this should be posted elsewhere just let me know. I am a 41 yrs old. I am looking to get bigger, and in better shape. At my age no matter how hard I work out, and eat right there doesn't seem to be any significant size change. I have done two cypiante cycles last year with good results. For his reason I am looking to go that route again. I have heard from a gym buddy that the pills are much harsher on your liver. Any input or experience would be appreciated.
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Anonpills are much harsher on your liver
AnonLess sets and more rest days. I train one bady part per sesion and hit the gym EOD. Working out just to workout won't allow growth at your age.
Rest more.
I only work out 3 days a week. No cardio. I think the real problem is lack of energy. I am only in the gym for 1 - 1.5 hrs.
Anon45 minutes MAX for me or else I get tired and aches all over. Just becasue you can do the work load doesn't mean your body can prosper.
As for orals va oils. Oil are #1.
IMO Var is the "older guys" or "ladies" oral although I've never taken it
I used to go almost 2 hours. Then I did some research I realized that was a losing proposition. Beleive it or not the one hour is an improvement for me. Silly question how do your give folks points here?
Here is a link to the explanation of the Karma System
http://www.eroids.com/news/revised-voting-system
The affect of orals on the liver depends on the duration and the dosage, you can also take supplements to help detox the liver like "Liver Stabil" or "Liv-52"
Like everyone else is saying oils are usually the the way to go.
At your age though with low natty test its much harder to accomplish size. I've suffered through that for many years without ever knowing about low test.
As far as Drs not wanting to prescribe you oils I had the same issue. I saw a urologist who said stay on the Androgel even though I explained my concerns about transfer to my wife and sons. Finally I talked to my family Dr again he wrote it down and told me say exactly this to my Urologist, "I can't tolerate the topical gel, I want injections".
I called and said that and he sent me a prescription in the mail! I was amazed.
Have you ever had your test levels checked?
Yes I did. They came back as 280. It took 3 doctors for me to finally get them to write me a script. Of course it was the cream Androgel. This is horrible stuff. I understand there are less spikes but it comes off on wife, and grandchildren. Not a chance I can take. I used it for two months then insisted on oil. That went great until the doc retired. Now I cannot get any other doctor to give me an oil script. Quite frankly I am tired of arguing with them.
Yea thats a shit situation i will say an hr to 1.5 in the gym is more than enough but test levels like that it would be benefecial to your health to be on trt
Orals are used usaully as a kick start of a long acting cycle or some at the end like anavar. What was the dose of you last cycle and for how long
Thanks for the info. Do you now if or how much they stress the liver. I have not drank soda's, or liquor in over 3 years but I do take a medicine that involves the liver. That is the reason I am asking. According to the Doc that prescibed the cyp he said the liver was involved in the conversion but it was minimal. For obvious reasons I did not ask him about orals.
The last dose I had was two cycles 10 weeks last year of the tetosterone cypianate at 200mg a week. The bottle on the script said tetosterone cyp 200mg. I was told to do 1ml on the needle. So I am assuming that means 200mg a week. I do not even remember what the gel was since it did not seem to do much for me and was way to much drama.
To be honest, 200mg-250mg/week of Test Cyp or E is really just TRT. To get to the point what you did last year was two 10 week cycles of TRT. At your blood Test levels your close/to already there for a constant TRT program.
AnonThey may have their place here and there,they are never to repalce sticking nice effective oils like Test, EQ, Deca.
of course bro i dont even really use orals much at all love my oils
Thanks for all of your help folks. Decision made going with oils.