Been on HGH for months and looking for a new Brand, please help!
Hey guys I have been using HGH for 6 months nw. Yellow tops (IP) then Kigs. To be honest I have not noticed much. I need help with finding a brand people are seeing good results from and a source who is selling real stuff. I find it to be BS that these sources on here which receive good reviews do so by the time it takes to receive product and these sources when making a fortune off of us should be the ones doing the testing on the products they are selling! It's pathetic to think they are knowingly selling us bunk gear which could be dangerous. We need to start holding them responsible for their products. I have yet to see a test done by one of us. I have only seen results which have came from the supplier. I would like to also see this site take more pride in helping its community by testing product for us. I'm not saying test every sources gear but when it comes to the largest hgh source on here EHP it would be awesome to see a MOD, Admin or someone take the initiative to test the product for us, the community. Sorry I am just very frustrated. I am so sick to death of morons posting positive reviews based upon shipping time instead of quality. So if anyone has a legit source with "tested" 100% quality hgh please please please PM me or let me know on here. thanks guys. I love this site for what it has done so please don't take this as a bash. Hell tell me how to test and I will do it.
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Oh and something my gf just reminded me of. The first time I ever took HGH it was IP blue-tops and 5-10 minutes every night after I injected I would get a sudden "hypoglycemic attack" literally would start cold sweating and I would be so hungry I would pile in some food and then feel normal again. WTF was that stuff? I have never felt the sensation again. Not with IP yellow-tops or Kigs.
tread-mIT may not have even been hypo. I kinda get that on peptides and as I read about it another guy on lije was doing the same thing and popped a triple dose and tested a few times following and sugar was fine. So even a simple 40 strand was doing that to me though while hgh does not so I kind of suspect you had simple strand peps being passed off as hgh. They can still cause natty secretion though depending on what they are so not all lost and even increase igf-1 levels as a result.
By the way is Judy associated with EHP? Or is she different? I tried to find her on the supplier intro and I could not find her there anymore...?
Anonshe is with zhsk
tread-mI actually don't know, I know Haidee and Sophie there is all.
Well I definitely appreciate the replies. To be honest I am in it for the long run. I would not mind taking it for the rest of my life on low doses for the anti-aging beneficial properties and upping it during my cycles for the physical benefits however I am now at the cross road of wondering "WTF am I seriously putting in my body?" I mean honestly we do not have a clue what is inside these bottles. When it comes to oils it's an easy test to see before and after test levels but here is the advice I am now looking for....
How do I do a proper test for the quality of HGH? Do I take the kig to my brothers lab and have him test the actual product itself or do before and after blood test. I mean the NFL does not even know how to safely test for HGH usage and they are the NFL! I think I may just stop all HGH, start using anti-wrinkle cream, eat incredibly healthy and age like the rest of humanity. GD you american pharma! Give me real HGH so I can live forever! But in all serious money is not an issue and I want to be able to get this test done so everyone will know indeed what my levels are after being on for 6+ now 7 months.
And do not get me started on the people who are getting hives! That is scary as hell! We all need to take a minute comment on this post and tell me how to get this stuff tested so we know if this is actually improving our lives or shortening them. Again money is no issue, so I am not worried one bit about the costs of the tests. I am however extremely busy with work so do not have the luxury of researching how to test myself. So if someone would like to enlighten me I will shell out the cash so we all can find out gtg or bunk.
-Please no-one say if money is not the issue then why not use american pharma, I am just looking for testing advice and will folow that advice the second I get it-
tread-mBB I am assuming you are a female is that right?
Na lol I am a guy (straight, betty is just for humor). 29 y/o...6'2...225lbs...8% BF. I just thought the name was funny
I guess bicepbob would have made more sense but with this site being open to the world I wanted to be as random as possible.
tread-mAlright thats why I asked...lol. ok are you running test at all?
Yes, I have run, Prop, Enth and sus while on Kigs. Not at the same time obviously. I just like to try out diff things to see how my body reacts. Been on and off for years.
tread-mHow many iu's of hgh ed! I'm getting to testing I promise..lol
4 iu's per day
tread-mOk so I do this in your shoes and no way around 2 tests given you don't know your base line and even just testosterone can increase levels of growth as they are prompted by the hpga to balance the test overage. Alright as I explain this keep something in mind, the protocol for the two tets you do have to be identical if you want true and accurate resultsm. Test levels and therefore G levels are all over the place throughout the day so the best you can do is to set testing appointments for the exact time of day and your pretest activity needs to be the same both times. I would personally say fast for both test days and the easiest way to do that is have the aapointkent early in the morning and eat dinner etc as you normally do the night before and no breakfast test morning only some water if wanted. Do nkt do any activity on the 2 test mornings. For each of these you need to be on test prop for the best measure in blood plasma levels and on test day one only be running 2 iu's ed for the week heading up to test. That same week be hitting 100 mg's of prop eod or ed if blasting I don't care it just needs to be the same for both test runs the week before. So night before test one you have been running 2 iu's ed of G now at about 10 oclock at night hit your 100 prop. The next morning hit your 2 iu's of hgh with about an hour before test time. Once test is done the following day begin 5 iu's of G (gonna have some sides maybe jumping so fast this week) and continue the prop the same as week before. Run the 5 iu's for a week and then go back to test. Make sure you hit your prop the night before same time as last time and then your 5 hgh the next morning an hour before test with no breakfast again and water is ok. Now you're done here. The 2 tests should simply show difference in the igf-1 levels in that week 2 tests should show higher. The degree of higher is something we can argue about later. Now this is as good as it gets unless you want to do this 2 or 3 more times. Ideally one would get a baseline but this will work for sure and if the level is not elevated on second run you have a good argument that at least you suspect under dosed hgh. As to actually testing the bottle of hgh I suspect you could get a lab to do so somewhere local or a close bigger city and may even find one on the web you can mail it too, will just take some research and likely will not be cheap. Keep the protocol thing to a T though, test alone can bounce all over the place and that can affect igf-1 levels as well.
That makes a ton of sense and was exactly what I was looking for. Now for the last question. When you go to your doc, mine who I am very cool with and friends with...what do I ask him for? Just your normal blood tests or is there something else it is called or just make sure he has them check for everything including testosterone, igf-1 etc.?
tread-mYou want a standard panel with inclusions of; estradial, igf-1 and test levels (including free test). Some labs do not run igf-1 but I suspect through doc this one will. If any trouble there are even over the net kits available or small clinics (labs) in most cities that do pre-employment screening and company drug tests etc that do. I had to go through 3 to find one that runs igf-1 here but the larger labs that most docs use are capable as a rule. Again, the importance of protocol is huge given the spikes in these levels. You learn a lot more if you run these early in the morning with identical situation such as no breakfast , no working out etc. A workout pre-test will change your levels in a big way. That why some of these where a guy tests in the morning one time and the next week in the afternoon after 2 meals and a workout are so different. For the purposes you are looking to fullfill the perfect protocol set up is ideal. It is best to make both appointments at the same time so you are able to coordinate with the lab your preferred morning time etc.
AnonI use the kigs from ehp and I find them to be what they are supposed to be.. I am very frustrated with people who want results yesterday from hgh.. this is something you do for the long haul with results coming at the earliest 8 months to a year.. this stuff is not a magic pill, it is not a quick way to lose faat, it is a product that is used for anti agin prposes..you see it in your skin quality, hair thickness, ability to heal....why people think you are going to get something for nothing is quite beyond me... as for the source you refer to they are ver concernced with the quality of product they put out if you have an issue with it they make it right ... which in all honesty they don't have to. As for amdin/eroids interfering with business pcices.. we are REVIEW site thats all any more than that and we become the middle man and that is not what we exist for.
tread-mYou will have to be more specific about what you are calling a failure. I don't want this to offend people because sometimes it does but very often is is simply misuse of a product that is the failure. Such as the kigs you were using, I won't vouch for this new batch not having got to them yet (will soon) but as for the time period you refer to let me give my results on kigs with what I know to be proper use, well maybe abuse in somes eyes but using it in an effective way. I experienced increased muscle that continued during the kigs run, as 8 went to 5 iu's over a few months the salt I had in my pepper virtually went away (very small amount left), nails and hair growing very fast (trimming nails twice a week even after the switch to kigs and probably need 3 times). Hair growing like crazy as said, smoother skin the whole time with cts when out of balance going back up after going down a bit and when I jumped above 5 on stints to see results my joints would give me issues and knees would swell for a few days. If I drop to 2 for a bit and then go straight to 5 without a staircase I get the jaw pain for a few days. So there are the results, I'm not sure what it is people are looking for with this stuff. It is a very long process and I think a year is when the real achievment comes. I know its not Eli Lilly but this is a different era and those things will cost you. In my case I have a doc source with Eli for 300 at 18 iu's...just not possible for me or I would jump on Eli in a heartbeat!
As to the site testing gear, there are likely legal issues with them worming in that way, they are a simple review site and have a hard enough time with all the current expenses but aside of the money part of testing, it would connect them in a way that crosses legal lines they don't currently cross. By the way, what more can we ask of the site owner, all of this is brought to us by him, we need to test our own gear, its not his place to spoon feed us hell he does not even have to do what he does now. I know you corrected the MODS question which you do understand MODS are just us, you and I , they don't have financial gain from anything here, they are simply members who volunteered to help referee.
Anyway, my point is to make sure you run hgh properly which you may be. Proper to me is this, hgh above 2 iu's needs testosterone to work right and below that at 2 iu's expecting results as I think you are referring to is not practical. A 2 iu situation is for cruising between blasts or for the life long anti-aging effect. So the results from cruising or anti-aging are not really a noticable thing given it is preventing something. Its like saying I'm not getting any results from not being a smoker. Well you have to know what you would look like today having smoked for 10 yrs compared to what you do having not smoked for 10 yrs and thats not possible. So you you just look to how good you are compared to the smokers in terms of skin and wrinkles and health in general. This is the way low level use of hgh is.
If you find off the hook hgh then share and I will do the same but in the meantime we have just some pretty good products out there knowing most of us can't afford True American Eli. I appreciate your view on people not sharing their results but you and I have to do that as well and you did and I do so maybe its a trend! Lol. The other thing I hate adding to your rant, are newb reviews we all see from people who don't have a clue. Seems in fact most of the reviews are just that. "i've gained 10 pounds in 10 days on my test E". I always say, "well now you know what you can achieve without juice because its not even working yet!"
It is extremely tough to get a good grip on which hgh is good or so so or bad because so many people are using it wrong. Had yet another user using it in very high dose a fedw days ago calling it bunk. 10 iu's and no test whatsoever, that shit does not work. I send them out to study the hpga but thats like sending them into a tornado they think! Had another advising everyone to jack 10 iu's to test it, you will have sides over night. Another 2 days ago advising jack 20 iu's for sides over night. Its like nobody can even read any more. There are mountains of information on hgh use including the things you need with it such as T-4 above a cruise level and nobody reads. I have written a few of those mountains myself here and several other places and nobody reads. Just told one again, go read all through the hgh forum and he told me he had and proceeded to ask me the simple quesions that were answered 1000 times here. Not hpga questikns or suppression or negative feedback loop or shbg questions, I mean shit like "can you see results within a week" or. "Does hgh make you taller" or "do you have to run 10 iu's to get big and can you do that without test"? Its the lack of patience society that now can't even Fing read anymore, just have to hold there hand the whole damn way! Hell I love helping people , I do, but show me you want to learn!
Alright, so all thats not at you by the way, I'm just going off on the facts that are lacking here often that make it so hard for you and I to research good product and make it so hard to navigate through the bad all the while trying to explain to a group of people unwilling to learn or share or help themselves at all. This is an awsome awsome site and place but there is a lot of BS written by a lot of people and while I recognize the difference the newbs do not. I wish we had a MOD who's primary job was to simply remove bullshit. I appreciate the back and forth between experience and unexperienced but there are armies now coming in spreading shit they got from God knows where, probably another newb 2 weeks into his first cycle thinking he was a vet now 2 pins in and he had read some shit and and ..... Its tough, sorry for my rant but just trying to help you know what you're up against here in your journey. I in the journey with you if it makes you feel any better. Lol
phil113kgWow, I must say that I gathered lots of info from this statement alone on the subject of hgh. I am gathering info for to make a knowledgable decision before diving off the deep end. You cleared up a lot of misunderstanding that was mixed up inside from all the threads I've been reading. Thanks for the lesson in-spite of your intended purpose.
I will say I have been on Kigs for about 5 months now and I actually noticed changes early in my use. the gray hair was darkening the skin was great and healing seemed to come on much quicker. but i will also say that when i started my cycle my skin went to crap because of the acne from the testosterone i was taking. My hair still grows like crazy and my nails have to be trimmed twice a week also. I may be a rare situation though because I know they say results wont be seen for at least after the 6 month mark but for me also you may consider my life style, for what its worth, i dont put much crap in my body. no soda, candy, no processed foods, no medications. so my body may take the GH well. I also use T-4 with my GH. was at 3iu off cycle and 5iu on cycle. been using the same source the whole time and have only had 2 different batches. its a hard subject from what i can see because the time it takes to actually see results and not many people are giving it that time before they jump to conclusions. so keep researching and i hope you get the results you are looking for.
tread-mAre you taking a good dht supp such as saw pallmetto? The breaking out is why I ask, you still can but there is some help in that way there. As well, if not taking you need it for the prostate getting hit hard with dht as well at our age but I wish I had started it earlier in life.
you forgot the most important question: will hgh make my penis bigger ? ;)
due to the fact that gh works kind of subtile, its hard to judge, if you got good stuff. my logic tells me to judge by sides, like aching joints, hunger and so on. didnt get them on rips or kigs (missed the good batch undortunately) only on the ap ones.
i dont think that even some good suppliers here get fake stuff, esp. gh, but cant control every batch. also most shops make the main of their turnover by selling anabolics, so they could be top rated while selling bunk gh. im eager to try noritropin, could even afford 5iu a day, but im not sure if i what i get is legit, even if the source has very high ratings. the gh itself is expensive, + buying a nordipen costs 500 € just to find out you got scammed. unfortunately the seems to be no source that sells thanktropin inside eu, which has very good reputation and is very affordable.
tread-mYeah I hear you on all of it. Sucks! Let me say this from my personal experience only. My sides go away at a stable level and I assume that is the cse with most. I can jump up two iu's at once and they pop right back up. Funny too, we are all different. Myself and a few buddies running the kigs (not new batches yet) and all have sides but one. The one could easily yell bunk if not for the fact that the rest of us have sides and as I said in my case, not just sides but the salt in my pepper has depreciated by 90%. Thats tough to fake. I see no silver in the silver backs hair now and before this long run I could buzz my head off in the sink and loaded with it. Now I can buzz it off in the sink and have to look to find one or two or three, not obvious. I have ordered 3 jin that I used with success and they have not changed so if I run this new kigs at 3 iu's higher and dont have sides over a few days I can jump on it. Anything you find I appreciate the share though brother and I'm eager to help as well.
i tried rips, it seemed they didnt affect me at all, ordered kigs one time (from a source here) and they were fake i guess (laser printed boxes/vials, wrong emblems and so on, plenty of pics from the fake ones). ordered kigs from a different source, looked like legit ones, but then, at the beginning of this year there seemed to be this big kigtropin scam, so these kits were bunk too. im looking myself for a new source, but getropin, taitropin all seem to be produced by the kigtropin manufacturer. was going to try lixus gh, thought a branded one would assure some quality control at least, but i read they also come out of the kigtropin facility.
the only time i had sides from gh was when i added alpha pharma gh to my rips. got aching joints, nubs hands an so on. so i think im gonna use what works, even if its 3 times the price of kigs. for the money i wasted on bunk stuff, i could have bought a lot of legit ius.
i dont know if ap gh isnt just another generic coming out of china, maybe even from the kigtropin facility, all i know is, that it worked. its made from ap india, maybe they even make their own, i dont know, tried researching on the internet, but couldnt find a thing. im also very content with the rest of the line.
there are also indepent quality tests on the gh and the gear made by the shop.
Yeah I know. I didn't mean to say the MOD's should that came out wrong. Wish there was a way we could donate anonymously.
eryximachusWell it's hard for the mods, for sure. Testing is expensive, so they would undoubtedly need donations.
I'm not sure about HGH either. It's all a scam I think.