posted Mon, 01/23/2012 - 09:48
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Prop, Tren A, Var Cycle Question
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Whats up fellas....was thinking about running this lmk what u think..all thoughts and ideas are appreciated.
Prop wk 1-12 @ 300mg pw
Tren A wk 1-5 @ 400 mg pw
Var wk 6-12 @ 80mg ED
6'1''
215lbs
10%BF
33 yrs
4th cycle
Goals on this one modest just looking to get into shape, no competitons. 1st time using tren so I'm testing the waters to see how I respond, .
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Yea man keep us all posted! I'd like to read how this goes for you!
unlimitedabsolutely bro, thx for your support
tread-mI see all points here below but as you leave the tren portion even if you extend it, you do realize prop at 300 is not counted the same way you count long ester right? 300 a week of prop should be considered closely related to 100-150 of long ester. Your 300 is a trt dose as RN said below and while I don't disagree with his thought there as you leave the tren portion it has to rise or there is little reason to continue the cycle with that dose unless you are low T and just heading into a cruise. In cazse you're wondering the science behind the statement, a single hit of prop will elevate free test plasma levels for 48 hrs and then its dead. It does not carry for the full week and build in value as a long ester being replinished would so you don't count it by the week in pure weight either. You count the weight in incriments of 48 hrs because beyond that it is irrelevent.
unlimited600 mgs pw prop Wk 1-12
300 mgs pw Tren A wk 1-6
cool...not cool?
unlimitedDude, thanks a lot for reaching out...totally appreciate it. but I'm now more confused than ever, I really am...if you'd be able to.. (and anyone else please feel free to chime in) what doses would you run of prop and tren as I am a first time tren user and am looking to not deal with sides at all.. if possible (is that possible?)
thx again
tread-mAbsolutely possible. Follow RD's direction down there and as you finsih the tren run you pop the prop up to 100 ed to finish the thing out. RD knows tren from bad and good experience as many people who are willing to adapt do. He is different in that he will adapt rather than suffer. Most will suffer through it and there is no reason for that. Start low and if you feel the need move up just a bit and if you hit sides move backi down. Work your ass off in the kitchen to the goal and you succeed in a big way on this one. The only side if running the tren low and the prop low is following the tren run when the prop goes up, you will have the side effect of serious wood and might find yourself looking for love in all the wrong places as the song goes! Lol. Tren is not where I might have sent you here to begin with but since you are there just follow his advice there because its solid slow roll get it done right tren use. Ace is great in that you don't have to wait a week or longer if you run into trouble and if you start way low and just work up a little to hit sides and then back off a bit you don't have to deal with trouble at all.
unlimitedoh wow...sick bro thx..T prop up to 100mg ed to finish weeks 6-12..I wouldve never have thought to do that on my own. And def wouldnt be looking for those sides u spoke of hahaha! Good looking out my man
The only thing i would change, i always run my tren higher then my test. helps me keep the sides at bay, and with my experience gives me better results.
unlimitedThanks man..the tren is at 400pw and the prop and 300pw...cool?
shit fml, i ment i run my test higher then my tren. Also i believer that you said this was your first tren, so i would just reverse your test and tren. you can always up the tren as you go and see how your sides are with it.
unlimitedLet me ask you...why would you run test higher than tren? Being that tren is 5-7x more anabolic and androgenic then test I was thinking about letting the tren do the work and having the test as the behind the scenes compound.
The reason for me saying to have your tren lower then your test is because this is your first time running tren. Keeping it a lower dose will help you to understand the drug and during your cycle you can adjust the amount you are doing. But rod has pretty much told you all that i would have told you so not gonna steal his thunder lol. Tren is nothing to fuck around with, keep it low keep it safe, see how your body reacts. But thats just me.
unlimitedNo doubt bro, I appreciate ALL input and your time as well. And yes tren aint no joke so what if I ran 500mgs prop and 210mgs tren (35 mgs pd) Sound reasonable?
Test amplifies tren sides, there is nothing wrong with running tren higher than test, IMO its smarter, but thats my opinion. However if this is your first time running tren then your dose is to high. learn the compound before you hate the compound! Im not joking brother tren is a MF, take your time with it. Some people claim to have no sides with high dose tren but very few, chances are your gonna have sides, and 50mg/d is plenty enough to give them to you. I run tren now after trial and error at 35mg/d with NO sides, anything higher and insomnia and irritation, anger, and a number of other things start to happen. So being this is your first tren cycle id take it easy, remember its acetate, if your good at 35mg/d wait 3 days up it to 50mg/d you should know by the next night if your getting sides. But dont try to do 100mg/EOD, pin ED to alleviate unstable blood levels. Another thing to do is pin the prop ED, it can help with tren sides as well. Play with it a little and find that sweet spot dont put yourself through hell. If you run into sides shoot me a PM ive got a couple other tricks that might help.
unlimitedHey RD, so after much deliberation and research, I've decided to drop the tren until I have a few more succesful cycles under my belt. Thanks tho to you and all the bros for extending advice my way. Gonna run prop and var as I havent run var yet and now figured safer to run one new compound at a time.
So prop @ 100 mgs ED 1-12; Var 80mgs ED 7-12
tread-mHell we've been waiting on a cycle update its been so long since you started this thread! Lol he is not here right now brother but that looks good. Thats a long time on a short with ed pinning, I would personally love it but some will grow tired of the pin! If you think you might a long test e for example at 300 ew and 100 eod pins on prop helps a bit. Then I might run the var at 80 for weeks 9-12 since 80 will see a little liver enzyme change around week 5. Not a big either way but I feel better at 40 ed if going over 4 weeks personally. RD should be back later and can shoot you his twist on it too, he's straight up gangsta though brother, look at his avi I don't play about shit like that!
unlimitedYeah man whats up.. I had to go with the voice in my head and it said dont start yet, glad I didnt ...actually gonna wait another month to 6 weeks to start up but ur thinkin 300 ew test e w 100 eod prop? but yeah pinnin ed is no worries here...just gonna have to do more research on multi rotation injection sites but am g2g with quad, glutes and delts this far...good lookin out on the response, thats whats up
tread-mNo I'm personally good with the ed pins and if that won't take its toll on you then I'm all in. Hell I pin something ed anyway even if I'm on an eod cruise and hittin G once a day so the needle is like brushing my teeth. If no bother for you rock it out brother. I think you had ran prop before and if so you know your pip tolerance if you have it. Thats the other thing is I don't get pip at all anymore and don't feel the pins so I forget sometimes telling others to hit that much prop that they may feel like a pin cushion after a bit. Honestly though I think it builds tolerance for the compound and the pin. I don't even feel the thing go in anymore and thats due to short ester frequent pinning and other than once in a blue moon I'll tap a nerve or something just never sore at all. The other nice thing about the long ester 300 ew and the short 100 eod is if you do get way too much pip or just so sore you can't stand it you can drop the prop and increase the long and don't have to wait for the long to kick since you have already been running it. Its your call though I like either direction just want you to have a good experience with it.
unlimitedQuick question...so I'm going to run the Tren at 35mg pd...would running the prop at 25mg pd be effective?
The benefit of running prop at that low of a dose will keep libido stable, you always need test. But the best part about low dose test, tren cycle is that you can get away with a higher dose of tren without the unwanted sides. I havent tried it myself but have followed a couple logs where guys where running really high doses of tren and a trt dose of test without sides. So if this where me id start off with the cycle as you have it and move the tren dose up, if at 25mg/d prop and 50mg/d tren I got sides then it wouldnt be worth it to me and id drop my tren down and up my test. However if I didnt get sides and was able to up my tren dose then it becomes worth it, do you see what im saying! As long as your running ace and prop theres no reason why you shouldnt play with the mg and find you spot, whatever you shoot today will clear the body in a couple days. Just dont jump to high on mg's, take it slow and give it 3-4 days before you change mg. I did it it took a few try's but after a 3 weeks I found a good spot that I can dial into right from the beginning next time I run that cycle.
unlimitedThank you so much bro, I'll def keep you posted.