+ 2 I'M GOING TO GET FLAMED FOR THIS
When I was younger, I fucked up really bad, and as a result, I went to prison for 12 years. Twelve straight years of confinement in a prison where pumping iron was something almost everybody did. I developed quickly and was soon nicknamed "Baby Hulk" and "Little Lou" due to the fact that with my beard, I looked almost identical to Lou Ferrigno in the face (when Lou had his beard), and I had a build that was as good or better than almost anyone in the entire prison of 2500 guys...and I kept that status for my entire stay. During my 12 years there, I saw thousands and thousands of guys come and go--some staying longer than others, and I realized that since nobody was juicing (trust me, it was tough just to score some weed, and back then steroids weren't as prevalent) that I must have had decent genetics. And with an unstoppable hook shot on the basketball court, the brothers always swore that I must have had some black blood in me somewhere down the family tree.
But out here on the "line", I'm not even the best guy in my gym now. We've got 3 guys who are competitive bodybuilders, and although I've got better guns than all three of them, they've got the total package. My delts lag....my upper chest not there yet...I could use bigger forearms.
I don't want to be a bodybuilder---I just want bodybuilders I come across to think that I could kick their ass with a 6 week cutter anytime I wanted. I don't want to be a bodybuilder because I don't WANT to eat chicken and rice and Tilapia 6 times a fucking day, and if I'm going to do something, I'm going to go all the way with it, so as soon as insulin comes into it (and it has to if you're going to win at a high level), then I'm as good as dead, because I don't WANT to count calories and watch my glucose. It's a hassle.
But that doesn't mean I don't want to look like bodybuilder---at least a bodybuilder in "off season". But in the 9 months I've been doing steroids, I am NOT impressed with what steroids are doing for me. And trust me, it's not the gear...it's not my diet---I eat great..and fairly clean, although as I said, I refuse to do a pre-contest diet. It's not my training---Training is one area I consider myself an expert on, even though I seldom write about it here on eroids.
No, the problem is me. After 30 years of training, my body comp is NOT impressed with the puny dosages that most gym rats run. Last fall I was running Test dosages as high as 1200 mg per week with hardly a pimple, and balls that would make Peter North jealous.
So I started doing some research. I wanted to know what the big boys are running, because I want to be a big boy too. And before any of you say..."Goth, if you aren't competing, you don't need to run that much gear...you're gonna fuck yourself up"....let me answer that right away by saying that I am competing. I compete every time I see another 20 year old punk who thinks he's gonna cut in front of me in line at Speedway; I compete every time I'm making eyes at a girl in a club; I compete every time one of our esteemed "bodybuilders" walks into our gym.
Why should the fact that I don't get paid money for my victories make any difference? Jay-fucking-Cutler doesn't want his body anymore than I want mine. In fact, now that he's warm, dry and comfy in his mansion, he may want it less.
The following are my revised dosages for the next 10 weeks. You might say it's a slight increase. But I'm not in this to be average, so there's no sense in an average-dosed cycle.
If you guys want to know where I got my info from, please ask. This is NOT on the pro-level by the way. I spent WEEKS researching that topic, and this is rather tame.
Pros are using 5-6000 mg per week of test ALONE, in addition to all the other compounds, IGF, HGH, insulin, and YES..MOST pros are now using synthol to some degree. If you don't believe it, that's up to you.
GOTHIC'S GRUESOME GEAR GAUNTLET:
Test E.....3000 mg. per week
Deca.......1000mg. per week
Test prop..150 mg. EOD
That may strike you as crazy, but pushing 500 mg into your glute once per week is soooo outdated. If you are young/new this is NOT meant for you. If you are responding well to your current dosages, this is NOT for you. If you wish to know where I got my info, please say so.
All of you know how I feel about sensible AAS use. You KNOW how I feel about Tren and oral-only cycles, and if I run into high BP or crazy sides, then I'll make adjustments. But I've ran 1500 mg test in the past from various labs and hardly flinched. I've NEVER even had to take ancillaries.
THIS POST IS MEANT TO SPARK DISCUSSION AMONG MEMBERS WHO ARE SEEKING SERIOUS BODIES...NOT COLLEGE KIDS AND 20 YEAR-OLD "PLAYAS" LOOKING FOR A PIECE OF ASS THIS SPRING AT THE BEACH.
Let the roast begin.
UPDATE....UPDATE.....UPDATE.....UPDATE......UPDATE.....UPDATE....UPDATE....UPDATE.....UPDATE!!!!!!!
Well, here it is February of 2018---over 6 years since this post was made, and I have to tell you that my views about massive cycles have indeed changed.....or maybe just my body has. But in all honesty, I have found that while I did indeed get results from such cycles, I have also gotten great results from smaller cycles as well, Right now, I'm running about 1 cc of Test E twice per week, along with 1 cc of test prop 3 times per week, and 50mg of Anadrol per day. I only use the Anadrol about 4 weeks, then 8 weeks off. That's it. That's all I run, and it's all I need. No more Tren... no more Mast Prop (well, I might run some of that soon--- I LOVE that stuff!!)... no Deca. I feel great, and my 57th birthday is not far off. and believe it or not, I'm still holding 20" guns and as lean as ever. Don't ask me about the bio-science behind it because frankly, over the years, I've found that there is so much variation in humans, that NOTHING seems to apply to all. That includes training, diet, rest, and gear. We are all different and respond differently. Find what works for you and if possible find something that works with the least amount of AAS intrusion. We are ALL an experiment in progress and in a constant state of learning what works best. Be sensible... be wise... and maybe at least consider what my grandmother used to say--- "Moderation in all things is the key to life"
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JtizzleI assumed Grrrl did ur prostate exams at home ...
Only if I'm passed out from some good Crown.
"Crown".... yea you're black lol
LOL...No, that would be if I drank Grey Goose.
sgtstedankoI must be a brother then... Fun fact; Costco brand (kirkland signature vodka) is made by grey goose. I compared the two side by side. & they ARE the exact same : )
JtizzleOhh so to get her to check mine I have to act like I'm passed out.. Been goin about this the wrong way
AnonThink you are funny do you??
sgtstedankoThanks a lot for posting the link for this article. I didn't think anyone else on here was doing these kind of #s for a cycle. I don't research from phone at all much. I stick to tracking, eroids home page, PM's, etc : )
MultipurposeHe was in bigger stronger faster right?
You are correct.
"Pros are using 5-6000 mg per week of test ALONE, in addition to all the other compounds, IGF, HGH, insulin, and YES..MOST pros are now using synthol to some degree. If you don't believe it, that's up to you."
You hit the nail on the head, matter of fact that's probably the low side of androgen use for some of them.
However, I do hope that you will be getting blood work every 6 weeks at a minimum.
Peace Bro
MultipurposeThat's the same place that got me started lifting. I went to a road camp with a nice weight pile and had a couple lifting partners. As soon as I got back to camp from weedwacking for 6 hours in the 105 degree heat I would hit the weights. I didn't spend nearly as long as you down but I know where you're coming from. As for the high doses, you know your body and tolerance best so I'm not gonna knock you for it. I plan on upping my dose next cycle, not even close to your dose but I feel I need a little more. I'll leave the dosing in the thousands of mgs to you big guys ;)
there might be a job opening at eroids.com soon lol
Jtizzlelol I would like to throw my hat in the ring for both Goth's job and his Grrrl...
yeah the dosages seem ridiculous, but if you feel you've exhausted the potential of 1000mg/wk or whatever theres nowhere to go but up i guess?
Noid told me we have health insurance as MODs for eroids.
This is true.....isn't it?
I am going to word this so its not misunderstood, I would like to know where you got your info for the simple fact of for 1: piece of mind, and 2: I want to learn as much as possible. Do I think ill run that kind of dosage any time soon? well the answers no, for one i have had great results at lower dosages, but I do see a stopping point in my future and would like to learn more about mass gaining, i am with ya on competing with others, I feel the same way. I dont want a killer body just for the summer, I want a killer body because I want to be big as fuck the rest of my life, Ive lived 30 years a puney looking mutha fucka and for one in my life im being noticed as being swoll da fuck up. I have never had a problem getting pussy it comes a dime a dozen, Ive got 4 boys and 2 step kids, I dont need my balls no more hell they get in my way from time to time, plus they hurt like hell when you sit on them. I have spent almost a year researching mass dieting, what I have learned in almost every article is that proper dieting is very opionated, I mean one article may tell you to decrease your carbs and load up on protein, then another article may tell you to load up on carbs and protein, then the next will tell you to focus on your calorie intake, what I believe is it takes an ass load of trial and error to find out what works for you. I agree with loading up on high calories and protein and carbs, that is what has brought me to where i am. I have read alot about how carbs gives your body the replenishment to digest and break down the proteins that you need to feed your muscles. what ever it might be I an extremely anxious to see how this goes for you. keep us posted as im very interested in this. I am runing 100mgs of prop eod and its got my blood pressure insanely high and ive never had bp issues. everyones different though
Where would that be Bro?
If you get your arms to 18", are you going to stop working them because you're afraid they may hit 19? When you hit 19, are you going to turn down 20?
What bodybuilder says .."I'm too big, I need to lay off gear and maybe take some time out of the gym"
I understand about proportion---it's important in competition...but if everything is in proportion, NO bodybuilder...No gym rat, and no average guy that I know of turns down more muscle. That's like turning down money...or a supermodel.
no no no lol, i didn't mean stopping point as in I'm gonna stop trying to get bigger, i ment as in i feel like I'm plateauing. i wanna be a beast. I'm just going to have to figure out some new strategy to get to where I wanna be
when are you planning on starting this cycle? Also, I dont know how you feel about tren, what about it? have you ran it before?
Man, I hate to say it, but because of the prison system in my state and the era in which I was there, it was probably the funnest, most care-free time of my life. So many great friends and people I met there. After about 5 years, I made it to the work farm where we would spend most of our days in the forest that was on prison property fishing off the bank of the river that ran through there.
Not like NBC "Lockup" that you see on TV...not at all...lol
"I compete every time I see another 20 year old punk who thinks he's gonna cut in front of me in line at Speedway"
that shit had me lmao.
One question, even if you take 3,000mg apposed to 1,200mg how big of a difference will there be in gains? I mean we can only keep so much anyways what exactly is the point?
I'm not sure Rob. The problem is that this is BROscience. We do BROsearch in the laBROtory. I spent a lot of time looking at what a LOT of guys are running, and I can tell you this is rather tame. If I don't see big gains on this cycle, I'm done with traditional AAS use and will be strictly TRT at 125 mg test per week, and will STILL keep my 19" arms.
The problem is, I want 21" arms, and I want them before I'm 60 so I can still slip them around the waist of girl who's 25.
TxBigBoyI think he's doing it more because he's not "feeling" it like he wants and not some much for the gains. Idk maybe im wrong.
JtizzleDon't PM out where ya got info.. This is a great example of Eroids Homework.. Everyone lets study up and do some extra research
Good convo starter Goth... but shit I still see one of these new kids pinning a whole btl of test e 3x's a week ..
biggerthanyouYou've taken 1200mg wk now ur going to triple that? How is this a good idea brother? Pm me where u got info wen u have time
I agree with txbigboy, if anyone would run this much I think its goth or cyco. Abnormal could also. But I am also curious as to where we draw the line, when is it too much gear? In my head I think ok,more gear=more results. But it may not be as simple as that. Like before AAS, in highschool we would load up on protein, nowadays I know your body can't process more than I think like 40g of protein at a time. Key phrase: at a time. So if we were to run ultra high doses of gear we would most likely have to break it down periodically throughout the week/month, I figure this correlates to the protein process. I would love to find out more info on this whole subject
PandoraI personally can vouch for Adnormal.... I have seen photos from his youth prior to AAS. He is one of the blessed (lucky MF'r) few that was born with the envious anatomical physique that comes naturally with hard work. His AAS enhances what he was gifted with. He has made clean diet & exercise his life style from a young age. I personally have never met anyone who has got the unusual dedication to diet and iron. Don't assume some of these men who have been born with that genetic gift, are using dangerous doses of AAS. Mimicking their dosages will not get you to look like they do. There is no control over the genetics we were born with. Some men & women will over use to get what what they weren't born with. Will it get them there... doubtful.
AnonI am a 1,000mgs guy. I recently ran 1,400mga and didn't like the BP and other sides. I'll around the 900-1,000mgs total as long as it works for me.
mazarI do believe that the current dosages and cycles are outdated. If you run 500mg and keep a time on + pct = time off you basically running a vicious circle. What i dont get with the "huge" dosages though is you can have so much total test. Say you went up to 1.5g test your total test would be in the 10000s. Is there anyway for the body to utilize so much test? Obviously more is better with gear as far as results go cause there are some guys that looked juiced and others that look absolutely insane but where is the limit? Looking forward on your thoughts and results from the massive stack. Didnt greg valentino say he was using 3g of prop a week and a lot of eq? I dont think the stack is crazy but you running it without an AI is a bit! God knows how much estrogen one could have with such dose. Will you run any AI?
Thanks for the input mazar.
I have clomid and Nolvadex on hand, but won't use it unless I encounter a sore nipple or two. Older males are much less prone to gyno for some reason.
I think a lot of this has to do with the fact that I may have maxed out my genetic potential years ago and thus I don't respond to moderate doses of gear. I'm sticking strictly to a Test/Deca stack, and will leave the other compounds alone until I see where this goes.
Thanks.
sgtstedankoHoly shit Goth, that's a lot of gear! Damn brother, I'll be interested to hear the results. W/the sheer volume of gear & your heart, should be quite nice. Pm where you got your info. I'm not doubting validity, just interested in reading... keep me/us informed.
TxBigBoyBrother everyone is different and everyone responds different to everything. If this is what you need then nooka pin that shit! Lol but in all seriousness if anyone is going to run this amount your the guy to do it. No flaming here cause I know your responsible when it comes to this stuff and you take the time to keep yourself healthy (ie bloodtests, etc).