THIS IS WHY some YOUNG GUYS SHOULD STAY OFF OF EROIDS AND OFF GEAR
Go ahead dumbasses---you think you know at all anyway. You don't do reseach, you don't run blood tests, you don't care about BP, you don't train properly, and your diet consists of McDonalds and Bud Liight----and you STILL think you're ready for steroids at 22 years old. You're a fucking idiot, and your wad WILL be shot by the time you're 45-50. There is hardly a bodybuilder around from the old days who is now in their 50's and 60's who doesn't look like total shit, and there IS NO fixing them...no matter HOW much gear they use now. I'm almost 50, and I'd SMOKE most all of you in the gym. WHY---because I waited untill I was 47 to start. If you're a competitive athlete that's different. But if you're a part-time gym rat looking to score more pussy and perform better in bar fights, then you're a fuckstick, especially if you've had hair on your chest for less than 10 years, and YOU are a politician's best excuse for keeping steroids illegal.
Knock yourself out young men.
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aah, what I wouldn't give to be a young Fuckstick again.
Yung fella's look, it isnt that goth is trying to be an ass hole as ive known him on here for a great deal of time, he is just one of those guys who care more about others than himself, obviously he is trying to keep you guys safe and he's right, young folks dont have no business running test for the simple reason of how much test you are producing naturally. sure he could have been a little more settle on how he told you this but would that have really caught your attention. Its those that dnt give two shits about how your body will respond after years of use that you need to worry about. As for giving you guidance, he is your man too and ive even got a ass load of cycle advice from this guy and I can tell you he's just trying to give you a heads up what best. Now how you take the info he put out there for you is on you but when your fifty looking like a washed up george burns you wont have anyone to blame but yourselves. It is just something you need to think about and those of you that havent been on gear for a long time you still have a chance. this site is here to educate and thats exactly whats being done. Just be glad you have someone like this ass hole (jk) to give you a heads up and fair wartning on what is gonna happen in the long run. this isnt just about getting big, its about being smart.
Interesting thread.
I admit I started young and I wish I didn't... I'm 24 and wish I was about to start Mu first. Unfortunately it's to late for that! But at 17 I was 50kg @ 14-15% I'm now 88-90kg at 10% after 2 cycles. I'm certainly not a part time gymer. I'm actually getting more and more into it as time goes on!
I'm relatively young, and I have many friends who most definitely fit into the category of "part-time gym rat looking to score more pussy and perform better in bar fights." However, regardless of the information discussing how dangerous steroids can be if not properly used that is presented to them, they insist on using hormones with little to no knowledge of what they are actually doing to ther endocrine system. It's sad that there are millions of people who have been and will be permanently damaged due to their desire to have fast gains with the least amount of effort possible. There is absolutely a time and place for steroids, but unfortunately most people, especially young people, don't know what that is.
Sadly i dont think aas are ever going to be legal in america in your lifetime or mine. can you just imagine some dim witted cunt trying to get "Jack3d" by going out to walgreens and getting some dbols and test? if theres idiots out there dieing from nyquil and five hour energy bottles whats going to happen when you give these people something mildly dangerous. if anything they should make warning labels illegal so we can start sifting out the jerk offs in our populations so people like me and you can do this kind of shit legally.
Im gettin so sick and tired of goth and grrrrrl smashing all these youngsters for using gear at such a early age!!!! I think yall are being selfish and inconsiderate! the way you are telling these 21 year old how stupid they are for doing what there doing yall should be ashamed of your selves, yall could have at least told me yall were in here hurting these mofo's feeling so I could have joined in. I too like to yell at kids, I also wanna make people who sound smart look dumb!!!
lol....sorry for hogging all the fun.
Well, if you want an easy wasy to prove it, here's one:::
WHERE ARE ALL THE BEFORE AND AFTER PICS HERE ON EROIDS???
That's proof right there that these guys don't find success with gear. They jump up and down and scream for joy when they get their package.."it g2g"!!!
But of the HUNDREDS and HUNDREDS of guys who get gear, hardley any of them get results....because they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Gothic knows.
I am just started @ age 42 and only after countless months of research.( Actually been holding out for years) Tried a few short cycles in my early 30's, but felt that I had not achieved my natural goals. There is a tremendous amount of information out there and one should take the time explore every bit of as well as taking in all of the advice from the veterans on this site.
Good point, and well stated.
I first got chest hair when I was 9 due to these damn portuguese-european genes!!!! so my age would have been 19
lol
Anonnot so true ive been on since i was 18 iam 21 now i get checked every 8 weeks and watched by a doc since ive started my hgh. ive only done oral once yea maybe ima lil young but some us do it the right way but im always learning never gonna try to prove an elder wrong
just throwing in my 2 cents
You'll be WAXED by the time you're 40. I know you don't believe it...or you don't care, but your receptor sites WILL be shot all to hell.
Hopefully, you're a professional athlete making millions of dollars a year--because money and a great personality is about all you're going to be able to offer a woman by the time you sprout your first gray hair, which should be at about age 39.
But hey, I'm never one to argue with an expert.
I'm 34 and have gray streaks, should I be concerned???
Anonabout?? remember Goth is one of the founding members of the old bastard club and is probably in denial about when he first started going gray....
FUCK OFF!!!!
I'M NOT GRAY!!!!!!
I'm just not as dark as I used to be under certain light conditions.
ive used that line myself int he past but mine went a little like this
"im not as long as i used to be under certain light conditions"
AnonI love you too hunny ;-)
I'm only partly gray,...................the rest has a nice flesh tone to it.
Anonyea prob ya live once thats how i see it i dnt plan on doing this stuff for ever
Yep...you won't be doin' it forever.
Good luck to you..I hope it all works out.
huh, he said he only did oral once huh huh in my beavis voice
Anonlol i didnt even see that but you know what i ment
AnonI agree with the post 100% When I was 20 I'd just look at the weights pack on muscle (with a high quality diet) You've got 20 year old hormones USE THAT SHIT! 42 was my age to "enhance" NOT depend on AAS for my goals. I am 47 and rarely see anyone in my shape year round like I am PERIOD. The young guys puff up and shrink cause they have no old muscle just puffed up on juice. AND they are the ones as 7 states bring the rest of us the heat we don't deserve.
Do your homework, put in your time. Understand how to do this, then after years of learning how to eat, train and live the lifestyle run a light cycle. Run some Test and learn the feeling, the mood changes, handle your penis properly and RECOVER! Take notes, pay attention and seek the OLD BASTARDS cause we've done it and most like know what is best.
Good post, and points to you for that.
wow, wouldn't expect this from a mod. I think it all comes down to the individual. One 20 year old could be more ready to juice than another 20 year old. What's wrong with using steroids outside of sports? I don't people who use, who aren't athletes, should be looked down on. I agree, people who go to the gym inconsistantly, don't eat that well and are drinking a lot on cycle, shouldn't be on a cycle in the first place. Though I'm not in sports (anymore), though I still cycle because I like having that kind of control over my own body. I like transforming myself, and generally progressing.
Nothing wrong with that, in my opinion.
I have a BIG problem with 20 year old KIDS who go to hospitals with liver hepatoxcity due to non-stop orals....
who alarm doctors...
who in turn alarm parents...
who in turn alram gym owners..
who in turn alarm police...
who in turn alarm politicians....
who in turn make laws against steroids...
which in turn ALARMS THE FUCK OUT ME, WHEN MY DOOR IS KICKED IN AT 3 A.M.
---all because some 20 year old punk THINKS he knows what he's doing.
AMEN Brother!!!
Not all 20 year olds are like that.
Just like not at all 40-50 year olds are wise, all-knowing encylopedias.
Granted, 18-25 year olds are going to be less respectful towards gear, but I don't think people should pidgeon hole the entire age group.
I know some people who have been juicing from a very young age, who are productive members of their community, who are extremely knowledgable on training/nutrition and their gear.
I think it all comes down to maturity and respect, rather than age. Though maturity does USUALLY come with age.... it doesn't always.
You're right..not ALL 20 year olds are dumabasses. It just the few bad apples that make the other 5% look bad.
AnonHe didn't pigeon hole the whole group he does refer in the title to SOME.. and I am going to say this again..
Think of it like this. You build a tolerance for it while at the same time destroying/shutting down the natural production... you can only turn it on and off so many times before you ruin the switch. So, if you start when you're real young and you could have relied on your natural supply but didn't, then over the course of the years, before you're really considered old, you have turned your endocrine system ass end over apple cart. What does that mean? It means that when you really need the testosterone, you have cheapened the replacement so much so that it doesn't work like it should and you end up with LOW T on replacement therapy at high doses. If you don't believe me.. LOOK at any of the body builders from the 70's in their "old" age. They shot their wad too early.
uhmmm... well... he's MORE even tempered than me (it's a relativity thing) :/
AnonIt is the Tren talking...
LMFAO!!
Goth is the even tempered MOD... I'll come right out and say it "if u r 20 yrs old YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS MESSING WITH AAS!" The youngsters will defend their "right" to juice (and I won't battle that) but it's a clear mark of immaturity (age wise as well as training wise) your experience is limited (I don't care that you've been lifting since your sophomore year in highschool) At 20yrs old you have PLENTY of natty to get quality gains, so if ur juicing at 20 it is nothing more than impatience and lack of discipline, not to mention that 20yr olds are NOTORIOUS for there sense of responsibility (which is par for the course for a 20 yr old)
hows THAT for an opinion!
*but that doesn't mean I won't help these knuckleheads get thru a cycle as safely as possible because SOMEONE has to guide them
i agree this was well put. if they are dead set on doing it the least we can do is share what we can to help them do it safely cause ive only been here a short tie and have seen gus swear its not so and so business what he does with his body and the screw you im gonna do it anyway you gonna help or not attitude. i am 40 now and just barely feeling like i need help. i train hard and feel good because i have been training on and off all my life now i just feel age tryng to kick in and want to aid my training. i couldnt imagine needing this at 20 or even 30. well put ad a point for that to vast point bucket.
AnonHe is talking about the people who don't research, don't diet, drink like fish.. and have no background working out or training and treat gear as if it is a miracle pill, quick fix that will make them look like a professional. Quite frankly, if a 20yo doesn't have low T then they have enough natty test to do pretty well on their own. Furthermore, people don't keep in mind that gear can only work within the limits of their genetic predisposition. If you aren't gonna be freakishly big GEAR isn't going to get you there. As for being a mod, is there something that says he can't express his opinion? The title says SOME not ALL.
If we're talking about testosterone deficiency then, nobody, whether you're 20 or 50 needs to run a test/tren/mast cycle, or even a test-only cycle at 600mg. And unless you're an athlete, there really isn't a real. The real reason we (the non-athletes) take it, IS because we're control freaks. I don't want to spend 12 months on a bulk, when I can do it in 3 months. This IS about impatience. I guarantee 99% of the year are/were nowhere near their genetic limit before starting gear. At least I can admit that.
As for the comment about being a mod, not at all did I say he couldn't express his opinion. I just think he could've done it with a bit more tact. No dis-respect to the guy, I just thought he could've worded it a bit differently as to not come off as so aggressive, but still been just as effective (possibly more, as he wouldn't have looked like he was on a "rant").
Out of curiosity, how long have you been training, and what lixus gear did you take, for what purpose? It seems like whatever you did, you could've done it naturally, pretty easily...
DUDE WTF you sit here and talk about shit like you know what your saying or that you have this profound respect for people. well all you do is word it in a PC kinda way. Kinda like how mormons "look down" on other religions. You should really learn how to speak how the fuck you feel, ya know like GOTH does and then you wont sound so fucking stupid. Oh and in regards to grrrl, she gives better advice on everything then most people do. And not everyone in this game is in it to look like a goddamn
areopostale model, some of us actually like to be big, and pick up a fucking dodge ram if we feel like. phew i got that out of my system now i am gonna go take another pin of some tren grrrl we all love you....
The funny thing is, she DESTROYS every other female in our gym when it comes to strngth, and half the guys. When you can squat (LEGAL--IN COMPETITION) 465 pounds, and deadlift 435 pounds, then I'll listen to you instead of her. Her bench needs a lot of work, but she's closing in on the 225 mark. That's not bad for a girl.
And no, she could not have done that naturally..not without much better genetics.
Been doin this for 30 years son, and there aint NOTHIN a 21 year old kid can tell me about this game.
Please post pics of your massive self.
AnonI ve been training for twenty years. I have used anavar, deca, primo, eq, winstrol, and t bol. The purpose is size and strength. My husband's been training for 30 yrs... he's used various other compounds in addition to the ones I have used... purpose?? size and strength.
HAHAHAHAHAHA "FUCKSTICK" I LOVE IT..
I agree. I'm 27 and I've beening workingout before hair started to sprout on my nuts but I didn't start using roids until alittle over a year ago. Most of my life I've been naturally building muscle and it gave me a good solid foundation of muscle (without steroids), now since I have the knowlege of how to build muscle, diet,rest naturally, steroids have help me to build on that foundation. I've been I personal trainer for the past 6yrs and I see alot young guys coming out of high school wanting to get big as a house and expecting steroids to do it, with twig legs, feathered arms and a bird chest with no knowledge of even the basic princples to build muscle and as I tell them, "you must have a foundation before you can build a house" or the house will fall. I would not recommend ANYBODY to even consider taking steroids until they have atleast 5-7yrs of natural training under there belt. Trust me it'll payoff in time. One of the reasons why I start roids, apart from competion,is because I maxed out all I could naturally do and now its time to build house!
Smart guy and points to you for that comment.
Don't forget that blood test during your next cycle.
Arnold still got those striations in his shoulders LOL.
Great post!!
I agree that young guys should learn to diet and train naturally before going from gym virgin to I'm goin get a membership and start juicing. I am in my early 20's, I got a Div 1 scholarship for athletics and had almost all of my college paid for, while I was there i experimented with gear. Got out and joined the military as an officer, now spending the next 6 months preparing to go through BUD/s so I can become a navy seal. If anything as a young guy gear makes me work that much harder, makes me eat that much cleaner because its a motivation factor, I love seeing gains and I l love learning how to better myself. Yeah i'm in my early 20's and have a lot to learn, but I don't regret it for a second that I started using gear early on
ATTENTION---- I have changed the title to .."SOME" YOUNG GUYS.
This blog does not apply to every young guy. My appologies for any offense to anyone.
tread-mI thi nk the biggezst thing you take from this is are you a turtle or a rabbit? These rabbits in there early 20's running these stacks that I dont need in my mid 40's and they dont understand this is progressive....if you start at the top the only direction you can go is down! TURTLE! Slow down, plenty of time.....
Perfect analogy!!