posted Mon, 10/24/2011 - 11:30
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The PIP is horrible...anyone else experience this their first time injecting in their quad?
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The PIP is horrible...anyone else experience this their first time injecting in their quad?
K guys I noticed my glutes feel fine after a few days so I might just avoid the quad all together. Example: Day 1- right glute Day 2- nothing Day 3-left glute Day 4- nothing then on day 5 I feel fine to pin in my right glute again. The quad has been hindering my performance at the gym. Next time I run a slow ester I'll give quads a shot to get them used to injecting but as of now I can't do it lol
Your test. Prop is what's causing the pain try warming it up before injecting , massage area and put some heated pads on it...
im doing .75 mL test prop and .75 mL masteron prop from AB so 1.5 mL eod. i try to feel the needle going into the muscle then go a little deeper. I inject slowly and I feel no pain. The pain comes the next day
Hey man. A tip for injecting. The pick has what is called a bevel. Thats the slant at the end of the needle. The bevel should be facing up. Then push it into the muscle at around a 45 degree angle. If you tense your quad you should be able to see the outer part of the outer quad. Dont tense the quad when injecting though. Vastus latteralus however you spell it. The site should be about a hand span from the point of your hip. If you feel a burn as you are pushing the needle in or pushing the plunger it is in a vein. So either push it further or pull it out a bit.
Pinned my left quad for the first time now with 25 g 1.5, ran it under hot water, and used a heating pad. There was no difference...virgin muscle then?
I'm no expert but one thing you need to do is relax the muscle before pining. Quite difficult as its natural to tense up. If the feel of the needle going in makes you tense up try getting some anesthetic cream. Use it for the 1st few times after that once you get relaxed with the idea of pinning you probably wont need it anymore.
any one cut their gear with sterile grapeseed oil or something of the sort?
I draw up with a 23g, and pin with a 27g 1.5" alternating quads. It takes a bit of force to push AS thru that needle, but I just go slow. That skinny needle slides in like a hot knife in warm butter. I've experimented a bit and have found areas of my quads that have few nerve endings. Helps with the pip. I'm big on sterile technique, don't need MRSA deep in a quad.
i use a 25 g 1.5inch in quads what i do is run the syrige with gear in running hot water, when injecting it pushes out alot easier and smoother.
do you notice a big difference with the PIP? I only injected .5 mL into my quad but I used a 23g 1.5 on that one. It did not hurt, I thought the injection went well. I inject at night and after the injection I only stayed up maybe 30 min walking around and what with no pain. The next literally felt like my quad was ran over by a semi lol. I limped all day. Day 2 was tolerable but still shitty. Then I compared the PIP of 25g 1.5 to 23g 1.5 in my glutes. I barely have any PIP with the 25g and the 23g is slightly worse. Im gonna try the hot water thing though
when i run the syringe under hot water it breaks the oil down and maks it thinner when injecting it just comes out much easier this way for me, Also try a heating pad on your quad till you build it up from pinning,and try rubbing the muscle after the injection, i like 25g 1.5 inch.,i perfer quad muscle over anything now..lol..if i could shoot in my shoulders by myself that would be first pic.
Had the same problem when I first started pinning in my quads. Felt like a horse kicked me in the leg the next day, lol! I always pin in the upper/outer part of my quad. I've heard you can heat the vial and that helps but I have never tried that myself. I just take my time injecting and massage the area right around where I pin and that made a huge difference!
I use two pins each time with 1 syringe. 1.5" 18ga to draw it up and 1" 25ga to inject. The 25ga is easy as hell. I used to use 23ga but to me it is a huge difference with the 25ga. A little slow going in but worth the extra time.
I alternate right quad, left quad, right glute, left glute... As far as the pain.... for me it depends on the chemical but typically during a cycle after the first couple weeks no pain at all.
i tried a 25g for the first time yesterday. Barely any PIP! Same bro, HUGE difference. Thanks
AnonNot sure if it will help but I find that if i jab my quad in the evening before bed that come the following morning I have no PIP at all... Perhaps not walking around all day on a jabbed quad reduces the PIP??? Not sure..... but it works for me...
That's what I did lol. I didn't even do my whole injection in my quad because I never pinned there. I pinned that night and walked around maybe 30 min and then went to sleep. The next day I was limping.
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When you pin be sure to clean surface well go 1 inch in be sure to hold needle steady at a consistent depth, sometimes if your mixing oils it takes a while to get it all in so we end up moving around a little thus making it really sore. If you think the Qaud is bad try your bicep or tricep! Another thing I pull with 1 needle then pin with a fresh one, even if I split sites I use a different needle each time.
Same here man, I pull with one needle and inject with a complete other one. I make sure everything is sterile vials, surface, injection site etc.
AnonI have 1 inch pins for my quads. 1.5 for my glutes.
I started off only doing quads.. I was worried about doing glutes.. First time I tried glutes I didnt even realize the needle had already gone in all the way.. almost painless.
yeah the PIP from glutes just feels like i shot by a paintball gun. I can't even explain the first day of that quad injection. When I pin my left quad I'll let you guys know how it is the next day. And if after I inject in my right quad for a second time, if the PIP is as bad then im gonna go crazy lol
Yeah bro just gotta break each site in bro..
Injecting into my glute yesterday, barely any PIP today. Dreading injecting into my other quad lol. Thanks for the replies guys. I use 1.5" 23g
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i have 1.5 I don't necessarily put the needle all the way in
Using blue pins ( 1.25" 23 g ) on quads and never had any problem.
23 Gauge one inch in the delt works for me. Alternating between the two.
try ventroglutial injections bro.. I've done prop for 13 days straight. Just rotating and all. Alittle pip. But other than that.. G2G you mother fucker!
http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/e/4/e46be_ORIG-hip_and_thigh.jpg
rotating with just those 2 bro?
haha Yup i was man. and it was with prop. But you can do butt and ventro for four..
yo this site is more considered the side of your leg or slightly towards the crotch area?
whats ur location? upper/outer quarter is best (almost hitting the quad from the side)
yeah bro thats where i hit it, it actually is alot better now that a full 24 hours went by should be straight tmrw i was just freaking out. worst pip ive had lol
have you thought about your delt?
i injected in my delt before but someone else did the injecting. i figured quad would be easiest to self inject
My wife does mine so I lucked out on that one. I mix up the shots between delts and glutes, the quad seems like it'd hurt like a mf'r. Good luck with that one bro, hopefully it gets use to it and doesnt hurt that bad after a few pins.
I can't stand it but do it when I get to the part of my cycle with EOD's
what size needle did you use?
yeah bro, 1.5 23g
I'm def gonna rotate the 4 lol. If i have the same pain i have right now in both legs i would be in hell lmfao. Gonna be pinning right quad(did this yesterday), left glute, right glute, left quad.
I'm pinning EOD as well I decided to try out my quads, damn virgin muscle. Idk whether I should suck it up tomorrow and hit my other quad and run back to the glute lol