posted Sun, 08/07/2011 - 13:42
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Gallon of Milk a Day
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Word. It's best to break it up into quarts. A quart in the morning. A quart mid morning. A quart 2 hours after lunch. And a quart before bed. Eat big. Get Big. That's 2500 calories. Low fat. Lots of protein. in addition to your food it makes weight gain pretty easy. Add ovaltine for yummy.
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I did this for a few months, had no digestion problems AT ALL. Hell yeah I grew REALLY well but it also turned me into one fat mofo :(
Really really wish i'd known about it when i was in my late teens and my metabolism was rediculuosly fast. Back then I gave up on bodybuilding simply because i couldn't cope with the of the amount of calories I needed to nail to gain weight.
i am going to try an add more milk to my regular diet, I am a milk lover already but i dont drink it like i use to when I was a kid. I might not consume as much as youve posted but i will definately try and get a good bit in my diet. thanks
Well Arnold said that milk is for babies. Men drink beer. If you are after additional calories you should try MCT oils from coconuts. The stuff from palm oil is not the best for you, and being a medium chain triglyceride you don't get fatter from it. It actually aids in burning fat while increasing your caloric intake. It's great stuff stuff. I cook with it all the time.
AnonI am confused .."not the best for you and being a mct you don't get fatter from it"... so it isn't that good for us but it burns fat?
Sorry what I meant to say is that you can get MCT oil from either palm oil or coconut oil. Palm oil is the one that is not the best for you. If you can get the coconut derivative. MCT is good for you in the way it burns fat. It is a shorter chain fat source than others. When it is ingested the body releases an enzyme to digest fat, but being a shorter chain the enzyme is not required as it would have already been broken down. So the enzyme then goes to work breaking down stored fat. Hope this clears it up a bit, if not I will get the info straight from the book.
Anonnope don't need the book You said it rather well;-) coconut not palm..
Oh yea I've tried this and holy fuk I was in so much pain from the gas smdh don't even attempt this
This sounds intriguing but I would face divorce from my wife due to the harmful gases that would be emanating from me constantly
GOMAD is a brilliant bulking technique. can be a pain feeling bloated all the time. in the first week i struggle to fit proper meals in and end up groggy throughout out my shift, get use to is fast though. if your not to bothered about putting on a bit of padding, it can really help your recovery having all the nutrients you need flooding in. i find splitting it around 6 big glasses throughout the day helps.
some people cant stand drinking that much milk personally iv always loved milk and diary products. probably explains the belly.
Anon.
Obviously the crtics here are not on an HGH/AAS bulking cycle...When you're on some good HGH, you need BIG calories, and milk, added to shakes, is a great way to get them. I agree with you guys that cutting the milk out is appropriate--at certain times, like cutting cycles....and the gallon of water is always a good idea.
Everybody is different...I gain BIG strength, weight and size on milk and red meat. I gain very little fat due to my metabolism/genetics.
The vascularity you see in my pics on my profile was done on about 3/4 gallon of milk a day, in addition to a ton of other calories. Hell--I'm taking 1200 mg of test and 600 Deca and I don't even get gyno--never have had to take anti-estrogens, so the milk for me is a good tool.
You and I are virtually the same guy. I gain huge on dairy and meat. Creepy. Maybe we have the same dad. We even have similar physical attributes. I gotta get some pictures up....Soon.
a gallon of milk each day doesn't make any sense. You need to be drinking a gallon of water a day. Use the milk with your protein shakes and thats about all you need. I go through 2 gal. of milk a week. Too much milk like that will take up the room you need for food. Then again, that much milk you might have some seroius kidney stones later in life.
Did it years ago but now in my 40s, can't handle it. It was cost effective at the time. I think a good powder mix might actually be cheaper and better for you.
Hustlecoke, Jetman, we'll respectfully have to agree to disagree. Hustlecoke your particular criticism is valid in your case, but obviously many people, especially those that are on bulking cycles, need massive calories. Running a half gallon of skim or 1% is a great source of protein and clean calories. Of course, if you personally have better success with "averaged sized meals most of the day and 2 very large meals" than roll with it. However, my problem, and a problem I suspect is not peculiar to me, is that I really cant eat a ton of food. So in that regard milk really helps to supplement throughout the day.
Jetman: Your perspective on milk is, well, subjective. I'll concede to you that not all milk is the same a change the suggestion to include the use of local farmers know to produce quality milk. Organic would be ideal. Cool? It's easy to find out the best local producers in your area. It might be a little more expensive but certainly worth it.
Further, you are citing a concern for "long term effects" of drinking milk on a steroid forum. This is somewhat baffling. I think we have all voluntarily given a collective finger to "long term effects".
Good discussion brothers. Do what you do.
Anonwhen i say "long term effects" i'm referring to the fact that humans have yet to evolve to the state where drinking milk is completely harmless (let alone actually being good for you). couple that with the fact that we are rapidly changing the biology of cattle through science and it's almost like starting over completely and beginning the process of evolving to safely drink the milk of a completely different species of cow than what we started with. either way, it still doesn't change the fact that drinking copious amounts of milk will significantly increase the odds of lactose intolerance. it just doesn't seem worth it to me when you can get everything you need from other, safer sources.
Jetman - "when i say "long term effects" i'm referring to the fact that humans have yet to evolve to the state where drinking milk is completely harmless (let alone actually being good for you)."
This is a completely subjective proposition and you have no substantive evidence to back it up. You hide this by asserting something as fact, "that humans have yet to evolve to the state where drinking milk is completely harmless", where it is very clearly your own limited understanding of human evolution and our species digestive system.
Are there people that have a difficult time digesting milk? Yes.
Are there people who do not have a difficult time digesting milk? Yes
Can you take supplements to increase your body's ability to digest milk? Yes.
Can you buy milk from grass fed, non-hormone/antibiotic injected cattle? Yes.
"Milk causes Kidney Stones." - Jetman
From the Cleveland Clinic - Top 5 medical institutions in the US -
"Calcium Stones: people who form this type of stone either have too much of one type of three chemicals in their urine, or not enough of another. In particular, they have either too much calcium, oxalate, or urate in their urine, or too little citrate. Eating too much salt may cause too much calcium to stay in the urine A few patients will have kidney stones from overproduction of the calcium controlling hormone, parathormone. Drinking milk does not cause kidney stones."
This is the result of a cursory 5 second google search which of course leaves you with zero credibility to speak on this issue, as far as I am concerned.
You know what else? I eat a different species for dinner every day. I don't have a problem with drinking the milk of another animal. If in the decades to come it turns out that I was wrong, well, I won't give a shit then either because clearly I will have a whole host of other problems to worry about.
If it's not worth it to you, fine. Preach me fact, not your propositions.
AnonHuman Bodies Fight Cow's Milk
Besides humans (and companion animals who are fed by humans), no species drinks milk beyond infancy or drinks the milk of another species. Cow's milk is suited to the nutritional needs of calves, who have four stomachs and gain hundreds of pounds in a matter of months, sometimes weighing more than 1,000 pounds before they are 2 years old.(1)
Cow's milk is the number one cause of food allergies among infants and children, according to the American Gastroenterological Association.(2) Most people begin to produce less lactase, the enzyme that helps with the digestion of milk, when they are as young as 2 years old. This reduction can lead to lactose intolerance.(3) Millions of Americans are lactose intolerant, and an estimated 90 percent of Asian-Americans and 75 percent of Native- and African-Americans suffer from the condition, which can cause bloating, gas, cramps, vomiting, headaches, rashes, and asthma.(4) A U.K. study showed that people who suffered from irregular heartbeats, asthma, headaches, fatigue, and digestive problems "showed marked and often complete improvements in their health after cutting milk from their diets."(5)
Calcium and Protein Myths
Although American women consume tremendous amounts of calcium, their rates of osteoporosis are among the highest in the world. Conversely, Chinese people consume half as much calcium (most of it from plant sources) and have a very low incidence of the bone disease.(6) Medical studies indicate that rather than preventing the disease, milk may actually increase women's risk of getting osteoporosis. A Harvard Nurses' Study of more than 77,000 women ages 34 to 59 found that those who consumed two or more glasses of milk per day had higher risks of broken hips and arms than those who drank one glass or less per day.(7) T. Colin Campbell, professor of nutritional biochemistry at Cornell University, said, "The association between the intake of animal protein and fracture rates appears to be as strong as that between cigarette smoking and lung cancer."(8)
Humans can get all the protein that they need from nuts, seeds, yeast, grains, beans, and other legumes. It's very difficult not to get enough calories from protein when you eat a healthy diet; protein deficiency (also known as "kwashiorkor") is very rare in the U.S. and is usually only a problem for people who live in famine-stricken countries.(9) Eating too much animal protein has been linked to the development of endometrial, pancreatic, and prostate cancer.(10, 11, 12) Consuming too much protein may also put a strain on the kidneys, causing them to compensate by leaching calcium from the bones.(13)
1) Ontario Farm Animal Council, "Beef Cattle Farming in Ontario," 2005.
2) American Gastroenterological Association, "American Gastroenterological Association Medical Position Statement: Guidelines for the Evaluation of Food Allergies," Gastroenterology 120 (2001): 1023-5.
3) National Digestive Diseases Information Clearinghouse, "Lactose Intolerance," National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases, Jun. 2009.
4) Courtney Taylor, "Got Milk (Intolerance)? Digestive Malady Affects 30-50 Million," The Clarion-Ledger 1 Aug. 2003.
5) Severin Carrell, "Milk Causes ‘Serious Illness for 7M Britons.’ Scientists Say Undetected Lactose Intolerance Is to Blame for Chronic Fatigue, Arthritis, and Bowel Problems," The Independent 22 Jun. 2003.
6) Karpf.
7) D. Feskanich et al., "Milk, Dietary Calcium, and Bone Fractures in Women: A 12-Year Prospective Study,"American Journal of Public Health 87(1997): 992-97.
8) Karpf.
9) U.S. National Library and the National Institutes of Health, "Kwashiorkor," Medline Plus Medical Encyclopedia, 18 Dec. 2009.
10) Reuters, "Animal Protein and Fat Raise Endometrial Cancer Risk," 21 Mar. 2007.
11) June M. Chan et al., "Pancreatic Cancer, Animal Protein and Dietary Fat in a Population-Based Study,"Cancer Causes and Control 18 (2007): 1153-67.
12) N.E. Allen et al., "Animal Foods, Protein, Calcium and Prostate Cancer Risk: The European Prospective Investigation Into Cancer and Nutrition," British Journal of Cancer 98 (2008): 1574-81.
13) Karpf.
all this was the result of a different cursory 5 second google search... not trying to be a dick, honestly. i just wanted to show you that this is a controversial subject and that it's worth noting both sides.
This is a great post, Jet. For the sake of clarity i will take each numeral in turn.
Regarding (1): Well, we are the only species that lifts weights. I know what the point is trying to convey, and it simply doesn't matter to me that we are the only species that does it.
Regarding (2): It's a good point. However, I am neither a child nor am I an infant so the argument is irrelevant.
Regarding (3): Yes, I'm certain the reduction CAN lead to intolerance. In my case, at 34 years of age, I will continue to avail myself of the benefits of milk. I'm 240, I bench 315 15 times on decline without juice.
Regarding (4): Indeed, if I was African, Asian or Native American this might matter to me. In fact it's good info if you are as it would appear there is an increased likelihood of lactose intolerance. I am not.
Regarding (5): Maybe, maybe not. Is this just one study, and sponsored by whom? I mean, it may very well be the case that these conditions are aggravated by milk consumption...and it may well be the case that it's total bullshit and those conditions are aggravated by something else entirely. I didn't read the study, and in my profession you never take someone's word for it.
Regarding (6): The Chinese on average are also half my body weight.
Regarding (7): Good to know if you are a woman. I am not.
Regarding (8): I don't know what that means.
Regarding (9): This is the problem, or complete misconception of the context of milk consumption. A normal healthy diet is not what i am interested in. I am interested in size and strength. I'm interested in 4500 calories a day. I'm not going to get that from fruits and nuts, homie.
Regarding (10,11,12,13) This article has gone from advocating less milk consumption to castigating all "ANIMAL PROTEIN". I'll take my chances. I suppose the author is a vegan? No doubt half my size....
Great discussion. You made me think.
Regarding (7):
Anonit's cool if you feel the info doesn't apply to you. but, just like you said in regards to number 5, "you never take someone's word for it", and your word was, "drink a gallon of milk a day". i'm not trying to fight with you... just taking advantage of the fact that this is a forum that's open to all sides of debate. it's possible that a majority of people might actually take your word for it and it could potentially cause them damage (because they were too stupid to do any research first; so granted it's their own fault). so it's only fair to show both sides of the issue. nothing personal.
honestly, your reply really cracks me up! it has a very, "fuck it!" quality to it! i tend to agree with that attitude in most cases, but for some reason i've always had it in for milk. i mean, it's delicious, i'll give it that... but it just seems to me that if people have had problems from drinking it, but no one has had problems from NOT drinking it... then i'll go with NOT drinking it myself!
Anonhelp me out here jetman.... explain the process of developing lactose intolerance... because where I come from (middle east) that condition is fairly common. However, my understanding is that lactose intolerance is the lack of an enzyme needed to process lactose. I don't have it. Can't drink milk or eat dairy without some very painful results. As for the argument for or against milk there is no conclusive evidence either way and I can find a thousand arguments for and against the consumption of milk. I prefer at this point to say that as with gear, it will affect us each differently based on personal physiology. what works for you may not work well at all for me.
Anoni'm sorry, i should be a little more clear on this. i wouldn't consider it permanent (as you would still have the enzyme [lactase] to break down the lactose), but your body only contains enough of the enzyme at any given time to break down much smaller amounts of milk than one entire gallon a day! you will have the symptoms of lactose intolerance from drinking too much milk, and some people have reported to not being able to process milk at all after drinking too much for extended periods of time. now, i don't personally know if they may have had other contributing factors, or if they actually stopped producing lactase. you can develop lactose intolerance at ANY age and for MANY reasons, theoretically, drinking too much milk is one of those reasons. a quick google search can leave you on the fence on this topic. i prefer to err on the side of caution. it is a well known fact that too much milk causes kidney stones, and that reason should be plenty for anyone to stay away from drinking heavy amounts of the stuff!
Not a fan of this. I have done this before and I just gained too much fat. It's just too many calories constantly throughout the day. It has a major effect on insulin sensitivity. I have had better results with average sized meals for most of the day and 2 very large meals PWO. If anything try to down as much milk and food as possible in the hours following your workout.
Anoni have to say this is a bad idea... maybe as a short term option, like a few weeks while bulking, but you shouldn't do this for the long term. too much milk (or dairy in general) can actually CAUSE lactose intolerance! IMO people really shouldn't drink milk at all until the long term effects of drinking milk have been studied. no other animal drinks the milk of another animal except humans drinking cows milk. although people have been drinking milk for possibly thousands of years it has never been in the quantities like we do today. the cows also weren't shot up with steroids back then, so the long term effects of drinking today's milk haven't been researched enough for me to drink it, ESPECIALLY a gallon a day! lol! that's crazy! milk IS delicious, though! nowadays i stick to almond milk.
You guys are spot on about the bloat. I just wish I knew this trick when I was younger. I have a tough time putting a lot of food down. But with a healthy quantity of milk I can put on weight real quick. So in that context, i.e., a person who has difficulty eating a lot of food, this is a really good option. Maybe start out with a half gallon and see how you feel.
Better be skim, or rice or almond milk ill gain 2" in bloat on my waist throughout the day if I drink a gallon a day, I used to do it as well, can't anymore, guess I'm soft I'm do n a half gallon of 1% and that gets tuff. Milk is great though