posted Fri, 08/12/2011 - 13:56
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MY FIRST CYCLE FELLAS!
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Age: 24
Height: 5'6''
Weight: 166
Body Fat Percentage: 18/20% (good day/bad day changes easily since I'm an extreme endo lol)
500mg Test E (250mg X2 per week) for 12 weeks
30mg Dbol each day for weeks 1-4
500iu HXG (250iu X2 per week) for weeks 3-12
.25 Arimidex each day for weeks 1-12
PCT (two weeks after)
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50
How does it look?
Should I add Clen during PCT for some anti-catabolic help, too?
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i doubt you will need to use both nolva and clomid for a test dbol cycle, and you will definetly not need HCG... Kwabby is correct on the body fat, i would try and get thay down a little further, hit the cardio hard! But other than that looks good... dont listen to people thatll say "166!? you need to be up around 200 before you even think about roids" lol you see it a lot trust me, some people need the steroids to push past barriers they cant break or just to get into netter shape fast, either way make sure you are well educated before jumping into it, thats all and good luck!
Ight thanks for the info. And yeah I'm taking Kwabs advice and getting my bf down to at least 15 by doing clen for a week. Then I'll start the cycle! Any advice on diet?
As for diet i would load up on fruit and vegetables, you can eat your daily value of white and red meat but i would try and limit it... and absolutley no more than three meals a day, getting your calorie count down is one thing but make sure you are burning more calories than you intake, so cardio everyday if possible... fruits fruits fruits and you should be ok itll reboot and clean your system as well
and also if you are a soda drinker, completley cut that out! all i drink is water and gatorade and occassionally vitamin water
Ok. Well since I'm a vegetarian I will just eat a bunch of veges for my carb sources and a cup of brown rice in the morning and after workout sound good? How much protein and carbs should I get? Is about 1800 cals a day good for my weight? Thanks man appreciate the advice!
1800 calories try to cut out fat and keep it 60/40 Carbs/Protien..As long as they are all clean that is a good start, and make sure you are burning more calories than you are intaking so the fat is starved of nutrients and cardio will burn it off... Once you reach your body fat % goal i would start your cycle and up your calorie carb and protien intake a lot and keep the diet as clean as you can, its ok to cheat every so often (dont make it a habit)... Also during the time you are cutting the body fat don't be afraid of the carbs in pasta, you need carbs! Calories are the main concern, and while on the juice make sure you are intaking as many calories as you can stomach, i looovveee pasta and have atleast one meal everday to up my carbs and keep solid wieght..
You are going to be very disappointed in this cycle if you're only going to take in 1800 calories. You're taking Dbol and test so looks like you are wanting to put on some size. Id suggest at least 3000 calories and 1.5 grams of protein per pound of body weight
All looks pretty good. Just want to point out a few things:
Might want to lower your BF just a little bit more before hopping on. say like 14-15%
I wouldnt go without HCG on your first cycle. Granted HCG will make recovery easier, but you might not even need it at all and its really not needed on Test/Dbol cycles with those dosages. BUT you can definitely run it for safe measures if you're worried.
Same with Arimidex....Now many people might not agree with me on the arimidex not having to be used but unless you KNOW you have a bloating problem on cycle (which yo dont seeing as this is your first cycle) then arimidex doesn't really need to be used. Arimi can even cause other problem such as joint issues, carpal tunnel and cholesterol issues. you have to remember these are meds whose sole purposes was to help cancer patients. More on the arimidex here. Its posted by the huge fucking guy a few posts down where he replies to someone asking him why he doesn't think arimidex is necessary: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?402776-You-ll-want-to-read-this...
I would say stick with either clomid 50/50/25/25 or nolva 40/40/20/20 for first cycle. once again you might not need both but running both wont be an issue as well.
Dont use clen during PCT. It will quickly strip away your gains because PCT is a critical time in which you're trying to solidify the gains made on cycle. How can you do that if you're worrying about stripping away BF and limiting your caloric intake? if anything run clen before you do your cycle to srip off BF if it is of concern, then cycle a few months later. Clen's anti catabolic effect are minimal not exactly how much you're thinking. If you dont believe me you can google "Clen during pct" you'll get many hits. Good luck!
I agree with you but disagree. I would have arimidex on hand but maybe dont start it right away just to see. However with running both test and dbol those are both substances that automatically cause you to retain water. Maybe some retain more than other but you will retain for sure with that cycle.
DEF on hand but Im saying he might not need to start using until he atrophies unless he wants to run preventative measures
Thanks for the info. Really made me think. Will def do HCG then and will do aced for the first cycle and i will see after that i guess! Also, say I started the cycle at this body fat percentage...since I'm using axes for the first cycle anyways it shouldn't really matter what bf I'm at right?
Not exactly sure what axes mean can you clue me in? But realistically starting at a high BF will just put you at a greater risk for Gyno. GREATER not DEFINITE without a doubt. You can start at that BF, only thing is the muscle nazis will get on your case about lowering bf lol. You will also see greater results with less BF
Ok. Going to use CLen+clean diet for about a month to get down to 15% bf than first. Then I'll start my cycle!
sounds good bro. thinks thats smarter. Theres no rush!
I disagree with everyones opinion on the hcg. According to all the abstracts ive read about hcg if your balls start shrinking then your testies have already lost 80 percent functionality (look it up b4 you flame me) even further than this they begin to degrade. At this point it would take much higher doses to kickstart them and possibly hinder your pct. I say you shohld still run preventative doses, even 250iu a week wouldnt hurt any gains. This is my two cents, ive been researching for months. I also think if your running an ai then you can tone down the pct a bit, maybe just run 20mgs of nolva for three weeks aling with your clomid. Just my 2 cents
AnonAre you an endomorph? An ecto or meso can drink hcg for all i know. For endomorphs is like oestrogen in a bottle. One size fits all doesnt work with this guy or his stats. 90% chance he is gyno prone and with his bf he will aromatize everything. How do you know he will get atrophy anyway he hasn't cycled before. You can loose more than you gain from hcg beeing an endo. 250iu a week is reasonable but like i said use it as needed is even better.
Hmmm...ok. I will just do 250iu a week rather than 500iu for the same amount of weeks. Thanks for the advice bud.
Your welcome bro. I like to pass on the knowledge that took me hours and hours to find... Its hard sifting through the 'opinions' to find actual medical professionals advice
True! Too many broscientists out there! Lol
AnonBeeing an endo means you are going to aromatize a lot. Your bodyfat will affect you in that aspect as well. The adex dose is way too low and for a first cycle you might be better of with test alone. Also use the hcg as needed no need to shoot it that much your cycle is light.
Ok, so no dbol. How much adex then? HCG amount? Sorry for so many questions. Total n00b here
AnonI would suggest 1mg of adex eod to be on the safe side. Dbol is notorious for gyno so best leave it out yes. For hcg you can either use 250iu every 10d or so throughout or run 250iu eod 2-3 weeks before pct. The sooner you will use the nolva after hcg the better you will be. Good luck with it and remember with your bf you are fighting a loosing battle. I would research a bit more if i was you.
Ight. Going to take your advice and use Clen+clean diet to lose about 10 pounds to get to about 15% body fat...Then I'll start a test e only cycle...Sound good?