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RustyhookerLMAO....then you were NOT on trt....
Man I think I’m just gonna stay away from this shit since I still have natural test. If I’m gonna risk getting shut down it’s GONNA be for 500mg of test a week lol.
Good idea. At 29 bro you’re still peaking naturally. Simple cycles will yield great gains with eating, resting and training as you should be. Stay just as disciplined off cycle and you’ll keep most of your gains between cycles.
Thanks man, well said! It’s just so tempting to go that quick route, but I know in the long run doing excessive compounds and cycles starting at my age would ultimately lead to a life of TRT, not that I’m against TRT just don’t want it until much later hopefully!!!
No quick route in this lifestyle. Years of training, hard work and dedication is key. Trt is not all that great after many years. Pinning gets old, ongoing doctor visit, blood work, extra expenses....
Thanks for advice bro
Well said man! Training hard off cycle is a big component to maintaining gains from cycles. I've seen so many ppl just going through the motions at the gym post cycle and they end up shitting the bed.
Yep. This is because these folks never built a natty base and/or only train on cycle. Waste of gear and health.
RustyhookerFolks on here tested that idea and posted bloods proving it shut em down.
Pct for folks
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/simple-pct-l...
Well hell I guess their is no getting around all this shit and getting shut down! I keep trying to find som that will help me cheat the system and not have my natural test suppressed
RustyhookerCheat...roids...done.
Many of the old pros won huge titles before even trying roids. Genetics and focus. Pick one
Proviron can be suppressive. I wouldn’t run it during pct or natty. I wouldn’t expect any significant results from it. Think of it as a boost to a cycle enhancing what you are running. It also puts me in a great mood and overall well being feeling while using it on trt. On high test cycle I did notice a bit of aggression increase.
Aight cool, thanks for the info guys!
You can take it alone check out https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2892728/
You wont make significant muscle gains, proviron is similar to effects of masteron injection, but you may improve body composition, increase libido, and lower shbg which yes will increase free testosterone. If you are already lean you will improve hardness and definition. Even though you won't make crazy gains you'll definitely feel good.
Thanks man that was a good read! I may try and trim a little more BF with this stuff!
Just gave y’all a test run with some proviron. I’ll let y’all know. I came off of trt with deca a few months ago and libido is still real low. I know that’ll help a lot.
My first cycle ever this happened to me. My libido was crushed for 3 months after pct. It came back though. Proviron can help but progesterone is the culprit not estro. Good to check both. Here is interesting info about proviron is helping your situation. I've always been a fan of this compound on and off cycle
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2892728/
Good read, I've never taken Proviron at those doses, generally I cruise with 25mg if I'm feeling like I need some self love, 50 if I want to be a wrecking ball.
Thanks, i found this many years ago. i stick in the 25-75 mg dose. Proviron can be costly. Proviron great to run with test for it shbg binding effects, makes test work better
Did you use deca? I’ve bounced back from regular TRT but after using deca I’m shot
My first cycle back in 2003 was test cyp 500 mg deca 300 mg. 10 weeks total. On cycle my libido was great. Pct was 10,000 i.u. hcg over 10 days starting 5 days before last shot of test, followed by clomid 100mg 7 days, 50 mg next 7 days. I kept almost all my gains, but after pct was over my dick was broke for almost 3 months after cycle. I stayed away from deca ever since. Im on tren now 300mg a week and my libido is poor but when i take pramipexole or caber with 19-nor compounds my libido is in mad man mode, i want to smash ever female walking and erections are like i took cialis. That's why i believe with 19-nor compounds progesterone can be problematic in this effect on libido
Wow good to know. See I found deca on TRT . My first time using it I ran it solo when I ran out of test briefly and was shocked that my libido was never higher. Loved it ever since . But every time I came off I was on something else. I’ve even stopped TRT of just test and was good to go after a month. This time I stopped in October and I literally don’t want to fuck and my emotions are flat. I also just backed off half my arimestene shit and I’ll probably stop it all together. I realize it’s probably not helping. I’ll let y’all know how the proviron goes. Even if I have to run 50 a day it’s not too costly but if it works as a stand-alone while I recover than I’m happy. My test can’t be that bad if I’m making major gains still and leaving out, but sometimes is fucked up.
Wow good to know. See I found deca on TRT . My first time using it I ran it solo when I ran out of test briefly and was shocked that my libido was never higher. Loved it ever since . But every time I came off I was on something else. I’ve even stopped TRT of just test and was good to go after a month. This time I stopped in October and I literally don’t want to fuck and my emotions are flat. I also just backed off half my arimestene shit and I’ll probably stop it all together. I realize it’s probably not helping. I’ll let y’all know how the proviron goes. Even if I have to run 50 a day it’s not too costly but if it works as a stand-alone while I recover than I’m happy. My test can’t be that bad if I’m making major gains still and leaving out, but something is fucked up.
I would never run deca alone and deca is never a trt. If going to run deca in cycle run double the amount of test, for example 500 test/250 deca, 750test/ 300-400 deca. I would not use more than 400 mgs i dont think you will get any benefit using higher but for certain will get lot more side effects. TRT should be 100-200 mg test weekly max IMO. Proviron will allow lower dose of test like a TRT dose work really well because proviron allows it to be in more free state by lower SHBG. good luck brother,
Actually had a customer recently who ran a deca only cycle followed by an NPP only cycle and it crushed him.
I worked as much with him as possible via email and dm and I really hope he's doing ok but I believe his progesterone flared to the point of sending him in to fight or flight anxiety overload. Couldn't stop eating, panic attacks, etc. I highly advise against a 19 nor only cycle. I was worried at first that maybe he got EQ so we had his vial tested and it was NPP (like he ordered).
I agree on the TRT dose except I believe under 125 is fine for 99% of people. For me 75mg or so with ED dosing and a little provi and I feel like a champ and stay in the upper range. Low dose, high frequency is becoming my go to more and more
Appreciate the input. I did the same thing , actually low dose test p everyday with slin pins in my shoulders or other spots was the absolute best for me. I don’t know why I feel so good on deca or NPP only but I’ve never tried to recover like this. I’m going to ride it out , proviron only when it gets here and I’ll tell y’all how I feel.
Yea 100 mg test is good for me it keeps me at 700 total test. 200 keep me to high above 1500 . you protocol sounds good frequently doses even with long esters is important. This keep most stable level with out spikes and drops. Add Proviron you'll feel like a champ. Great minds think alike
I have to be careful with caber, I use it only if I absolutely have to when taking 19nors, otherwise I'm bound to do some regrettable shit. It's like your brain takes a back seat and your dick is driving a Ferrari.
Well god damn! I need some of that ! I tried it twice , even prami with no noticeable effect. My caber was in those tiny pharma bottles from a trusted source too. Maybe I need a re run. I only got it because I ran tren one time for two weeks and my dick fell off for the first time. That was a nightmare and long recovery too. Come to think of it , similar to this. Even when I got it working it was “weak”. Maybe 19 Nors and I don’t get along . Deca tricked me.
Haha aint that the truth. It does make you do impulsive crazy shit if not careful.