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Wanna know what I do to bring tren sides down? If say you wanna run 75-100mg per day tren ace cycle try this:
lower tren ace to 50mg per day then add 300mg tren enanthate split evenly into 3 injects per week example
monday - 50mg ace/100mg enanthate
tues - 50mg ace
wed - 50mg ace/100mg enanthate
thurs - 50mg ace
friday - 50mg ace/100mg enanthate
weekend - 50mg ace
this will add a long ester in which will fill in the gap for the times when ace starts to fade between injects. So your body will notice minimal decrease in mg and the fluctuations will be so small that side effects will be pretty much nonexistant. For me I only get sweating, like lots and lots of sweating. Then it depends on genetics for what other sides you get but this should help cut down the aggression and blood pressure and prolactin spikes
i use caber 0.5mg 1x per week
AnonI was just on 350/wk ace pinning ED ( with pharma caber ) and sides were nothing as far as aggression/sleep I slept just fine, possibly due to GH not sure. Still had nightmares of people getting ripped to pieces though, I am not exaggerating. It's always in 3rd person, I just watch people die gruesome deaths. No other steroid or drug ever causes dreams like that. Usually don't dream or barely do. Full nights sleep yes but waking up all panicked not fun… and to seal the deal sugar cravings are INSANE. I go hypo (not dangerously but shaky hands) without tons of carbs. I can't cut or even maintenance on tren flat out and it's summertime so what's the point. Also it spikes my BP and resting heart rate, literally the only steroid to push it more than a few points higher. I'm young so nothing spikes BP really…. except tren. Just not worth it I'm just a dude who lifts not a BB'er. Appreciate the solid advice but that shit just doesn't work for me haha I'm going to keep trying other mixtures til I find what will work. Mast P moderately high test & GH is next on the list after this run of test/EQ
EQ might spike BP badly as well not sure I haven't had enough time with it yet 5+ weeks only on Kodiak EQ. It's up but I still feel like ass from using tren for 2 weeks even though I dropped it a good week ago don't know what's causing what lol. I imagine my bloods must be whacked out so I'm just giving it 2 more weeks to check. Hopefully I start feeling decent soon I can't figure out why but this run just isn't going well…. probably from going from good EQ (AN) to bunk ass EQ (can't say source name) back to good EQ (kodiak) then adding/dropping tren. Botched.
doofyduhyou sir- like me- are one of the so called lucky ones-no steroids give me aggression hairloss but i do feel prostate enlargement if i go too high with tren around 75-100mg ed... tren does work its undeniable and the sides are minimal for some lucky individuals but i stopped using it out of principle and peace of mind-i don't belive the impact on the respiratory system and the fact that im using a veterinary steroid is worth the gains for my personal goals-im not in the IFBB its not my place to use that hormone i feel-DHT derivatives (excluding winny) are easily comparable for my goals and the results although less are similar-masteron primo and var WILL cut you up-vascularity and pump and strength included- and make you lose fat with minimal sides----unless you consider being poor a side effect of primo use ;/ ....i do...lol
-----this is just MY opinion based on my goals, experience and current health..im in no way saying tren is either a good OR bad compound for YOU(the reader) to use- just consider the ultimate outcome(beyond three months)----
Yeah It's funny tren gives me less sides than test or deca, or any oral. Anyways yea you are right It's a powerful steroid but I'll keep that in mind and go easy on the tren from now on. Honestly var is one of my favorites in terms of fatloss and strength gains and hardening effect but I get sides pretty harsh - hardcore heartburn and backpumps so I don't take more than 30-50mg. My oral of choice is anadrol it never lets me down and I get no sides from drol either yet 30mg of var has my stomach churning. Lol I'm one of those oddball persons who respond different from the majority of all other steroid users.
The hard drugs treat me pretty well - tren, anadrol, dbol, eq
and the simple ones test and deca and anavar turn my cycle into a managing side effect cycle where I spend more focus on controlling estrogen, prolactin and messed up appetite and sleep patterns. I get nightsweats from deca bad (not on tren) and deca gives me bad bloat and makes me tired I have to really watch estrogen.
I've ran masteron and it was perfect. I loved it. Unfortunately it thinned me out up top so I had to lay off. If it weren't for hairloss, masteron would be the most ideal steroid.
Primo is pretty much the only steroid I haven't tried. Are sides pretty low with primo? The only thing that worries me is the price and hairloss and will the gains be better than a tren cycle? The tren is about 80% cheaper and needs a much lower dose like 50mg per day for 8 weeks instead of 800mg for 18 weeks
doofyduhLol its funny you said that...deca gave me more sides than any steroid both oral and inject ive ever.used lol var used to male my stomach feel full but just kinda.went away aftwr a week. Primo I brew myself so its cheaper but generally primo doest give me siddes lol im alreadu bald though :/
Anyways mainly I like the frank zane asthetics look these days amd dht derivatives at my age are.the safest way to get shredda look like tren...if you can afford.it or stock pile it overtime-I would def look in to a primo cycle next summer if I were you brother.
....once some one told me on another board high doses of anavr aroumd 100mg ed will give you the same shreddwd lool as tren...so naturally I freaked out and put him on blast-how could a steroid for kids and women compare to the.might of tren what a fuxkin noob...then I tried it after stoxk piling var
..he was right lol the muscle.seperation and sttenghth and cuts.were.easily comparable in my pics....."doesn't matter how.you get to the otherside of the rainbow all that matters is you beat the.leprechaun brian. .." or some shit like that...
----stewie Griffin
zschlitz1Fr sent brother
doofyduhi accept you brother;D
RustyhookerVar kicker is useless in that stack.
doofyduhWhy? Please..
RustyhookerLong Esters wont kick for several Weeks. So you're using a mild finisher to carry the weight by itself. Whereas if it's tail end use while all long Esters are full punch it can carry its effects nicely. It compliments the other gear at tail end.
I used to kick with orals like Winny. It never made sence because the effects can't be achieved in the front. I changed my finishers like Winny/var to tail end and its like turning up an amplifier.
Var for me boosts strength tgru roof and also kills appetite. At tail end that makes clean diet a TON easier. Beginning of cycle most guys want the initial boom of added mass. Mid cycle clean up diet. Finisher to dry harden and Polish you out. Tail end the strength boost will be supported by the others gear.
Basically, it's the cherry on top.
doofyduhhmmmm you make a good point brother...ima try it some time:)
RustyhookerNext time you run an easy cycle, put a lil var or Winny in late cycle about a week just to see the increased pumps. It changed my thinking.
Good luck and happy growing!
test p kickstart
really isn't an oral that kickstarts for lean gains....more of a dbol or anadrol thing
Those 2 are the only oral kick starters in my eyes. Maybe sd
RustyhookerI prefer using shorts to get the first 4 Weeks boost. Unless it's a wet stack with dbol for example. Starting off with matching shorts IMO gives the finish any possibility.
Example....if midway thru a lean bulker you're enjoying just flat out bulking then continue on as you are. If leaning out and coming in hard then match a good finisher and lower test. Or just be simple oral finish.
Just more options and not double dippin liver busters. Match the gear and keep it simple
What's funny is not so much the oil to pin, but it's a hefty $tag for the gains it produces on such a weak compound... there are arguably better alternatives...but to each their own..personally I've run it @800 with tren,win,mast and var... it's ok..but more for girls, and Mens Physique I guess thats pretty cool tho if thats ya thing....Id rather spend your primo dough on gh to be honest and stack it with your other gear...but then again thats what makes us different...do you homeboy..;-)
Oh my bad....
I should explain myself perhaps....
I'm currently 250 Lbs. at 16% BF (33 y/o)
I powerlift with over 600 Lbs. squats and deadlifts and over 400 Lbs. bench (I score Elite)
My Normal Cycles look like this....
1.5 grams of test e
900 mg's tren a
500 mg's deca (joint pain relief - don't care that they are both 19 nors. try getting crushed by a 645 lbs. squat)
D-bol 75 mg ed
3 iu's hgh ed
included are aromasin / caber / hcg
sometimes I cruise / sometimes I pct
I think I know oils pretty well my man
I've used
tren / test e / test p / primo / mast / deca / 1 test cyp / eq / anadrol / dbol / winny / anavar / hgh
Sounds like your a monster big dawg...Yeah man...sure do sound like you know your oils too..and your lifts...all good my dude..maybe some other time we'll compare brain pans, lifts, and juice...;-) I'm tired.
AnonHe probably meant it's a lot of oil to have to pin. I wouldn't do it lol.
Yea have fun with that, I just got done running primo...all that oil ain't no joke and have fun with a hurting ass for 16+ weeks. I have a high tolerance for anything but that stuff has some pip
RustyhookerWant some eq base? Lol!
Yea?! That stuff for pussies too? Lol
Shoulder day. Screwed myself, bad. Doing dumbbell presses and when I bumped the left weight up with my leg, I let my leg down too fast and hyper extended whatever that muscle is at the elbow to forearm, dammit. Doubling up the gh and hoping. Was up to 120s with 2 sets to go; would've been a phenom day
RustyhookerCouple days off. Sounds like brachialus muscle? Side of upper arm. Heal up well!
Brachioradial, yes. I should have used both arms to get one in place and had my workout partner place the other. It's been a while since I've used that level and I was going off past experience, where I could do that much solo. Right one was ok and the left should've been but dropping my leg that fast, the sudden weight caught me unprepared. Should have dropped it but tries to get the set. Arm collapsed on the first rep
Missing 2 or 3 days will drive me crazy. My entire day is thrown off kilter when I skip a day. Guess it'll be a good week for working legs. Damnit. Legs are always my cop out day
RustyhookerLil extra legs, calves and cardio. Lookin all sliced n diced. Couple days off though and you'll feel that extra power on returning. I just took 3 days off. Today was like slicing icecream with hot knife.
I've been on a steady: chest, shoulders, arms, back, repeat, routine and need to throw legs in, anyway. I've put so many miles on these stems, during my career, that they've always remained cut but there's always room to improve
Have to say, with a year of gh in my system, my healing time is miniscule, especially for my age. Really mauled my rotator cuft (yes, that is the correct spelling, btw. My girl is an RN...if she'd work) last year and was really only an issue for a few weeks. I smash shoulders since I'm vain and cut shoulders are relatively easy to attain, and even moving large amounts of weight, I was never unable to work them, was just a little limited for a bit. It's become such a pita to get, since I'm not one to order large amounts, when it is available. Using up the last of my chrono and trying to decide if I'm going to continue with it
RustyhookerAt my age i keep eyeballing hgh. Probably for winter bulker. Get well above old limits. I switched last week from heavy heavy to drops and pyramids. Get the growth and let the shoulders rest a bit. Was wearing out.
Damn it Marine. That sux. Being an older cat who still loves his "heavy" days I'm always aware and listening to my joints and tendons. Fuck pride or the gyms rules, I'll drop a heavy dumbbell to the floor in a second if something just doesn't feel quite right. Rest is the best sir. Listen to your body.
That's what the rubber mats are there for! I've had more injuries from trying to "save" a rep or trying not to make a high altitude drop than anything else! Since hitting the half century mark, I've been getting better at not pushing a bad position but, obviously, I still have more to learn!