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JL's picture

I've never noticed a huge difference in sides between long and short esters. Except BP and heart rate I have to be much more desciplined on longs with salt intake, cardio and such as you cant just turn it off. IMO I would hold off on the provi, just seems like overkill. Thats all ready a fat stack.. :-)

DBG's picture

Yep...now I'm running longs again my BP has elevated slightly. SOB :-/

greenlantern's picture

also interested in learning what a cycle like that would look like on paper and exactly what the breakdown of 600 Millie's would be. Friend request sent

Harley1969's picture

Fr accepted brother

greenlantern's picture

I have to be honest that I'm still kind of a rookie, I'm not even sure what cab gr is. Outside of that it sounds like a good cycle I definitely have had substantially impressive results with tren ace and test E. Of course from the Queen. Haven't had a chanceto do real world research with mast or proviron.

Older School's picture

Cabergoline is an anti-prolactin. The normal estrogen blockers we use don't work on 19-nors. So, typically we have to use either cabergoline or prami to lower prolactin levels.
That's an oversimplification, but it gives you the basic idea.

greenlantern's picture

prolactin?... Breast milk?!

Older School's picture

Yessir.

greenlantern's picture

huh... I'll be damned

JL's picture

Yep. Agree with having prami or caber on hand. Otherwise you might end up needing nursing pads. lol

greenlantern's picture

you know what it sounds like I need to get back to studying because a lot of things you guys are talking about that I've barely scratched the surface to.

JL's picture

Typically neither are needed at moderate doses of 19 Nors as long as e2 is kept in check. Prami and caber are both dopamine agonist, both are very harsh drugs imo.

Older School's picture

You are correct. Those compounds definitely shouldn't be pounded for the fun of it. I wasn't advocating their use - just explaining to dude what they are used for.
It's not a bad idea to have some caber or prami on hand if running 19-nors. Harsh or not, they are better than leaky nipples.

JL's picture

Prami f^cks me up. I have yet to try caber. Honestly I've never had an issue on deca or tren at 500 per week. As long as my e2 is in check.

Older School's picture

I haven't had an issue with prolactin either, and I've run those two compounds together at much higher dosages (if I provided details here it would scare the children). But I sure as hell have a stockpile of caber in case it's needed. My body warns me when my e2 creeps into problematic territory, so I generally pop a .5 mg dose of caber once every three days for about two weeks just to make sure prolactin/progesterone is suppressed.
Letro ain't for shits and giggles either, but it definitely comes in handy.

DBG's picture

I ran a dose of tren last summer that would scare the children. Treated me like a champ tho. 6 weeks of that on the ace and I pulled the plug, started getting to me. I did walk away with what I wanted

Older School's picture

Love + Hate = Tren

greenlantern's picture

my psychotherapist says I have to stop smoking.I'm going to be grieving and in remorse for a long time good friend.

Harley1969's picture

Good luck with that bro it's a hard habit to break but people tell me you start breathing better within like 3 weeks.

greenlantern's picture

not tobacco, but I'm sure that the same type of logic should apply. with that being said I used to smoke regular cigarettes and it's true as soon as you get past that three or four week barrier of having cravings for nicotine a lot of people kick it for good and you start breathing better

Harley1969's picture

That's funny cuz I thought you might have been talking about the left handed version of the ciggs. Smile

greenlantern's picture

"left handed cigarettes", I've heard that term before. Maybe you can answer this question, why "left handed cigarette" when the rotation goes to the right?

Harley1969's picture

You got me on that bro. Not really sure but I thought that Beyoncé song said to the left to the left

greenlantern's picture

lol. I'm pretty sure that she's not talking about rotation but instead where her X can find his s*** to get the hell out. reference verses; "to the left to the left everything you own in a box to the left..." Lol

milkyamber's picture

Did my first ever pin last night of test e. Smooth ass oil, i mean i have nothing to campare it to but i was expecting to be in pain today. i would say 1/10 with pip and it was a virgin muscle, feels like a tiny charlie horse.. I even did legs today. Thanks alot grrl i wil be giving a review for sure when im done with my cycle.

greenlantern's picture

welcome to the world.remember you are walkin talkin anti governmental propaganda at this very moment.

milkyamber's picture

Thanks man i feel dangerous right now, might just have to go kill me a moose.

greenlantern's picture

I know you're feeling really good and you're spun up right now, but don't try and do anything like that unless you got a 300 Win Mag with you

JL's picture

Thats awesome. You picked a good source to start with. Wish I could say that about my first pin. I was walking like a peg leg pirate for weeks. Even though I had bad pip my first go around, that first cycle was a game changer. The real fun will start in about 4 weeks ;-). Enjoy the ride!

milkyamber's picture

I spoke too soon! almost 48 hrs later and its got my ass pretty sore.. still not too bad, i can walk and sit on it just slightly painful. like 5/10 painful

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