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Bigmak2Wouldn't bother with tren it's highly over rated mate! I would use npp or primo if you can afford it. Same results with little to no sides all be it with primo you'd need to run a larger dose.
That's just not true by a long shot, tren is the strongest an most toxic to your body an cardiovascular system, to compare any other aas to it would just be untrue. Nothing is like tren even combos of aas. With that being said that's why i haven't ran it in 2 yrs after years of running off an on I'd rather be healthier.
Very true...
People just don't respect that power and effect that Tren can have on whole system..
After almost 17 years of running cycles and taking almost every compound there is....Tren has to be the strongest one which hasnt only changed my body but also changed my mind set while using the compound and given the worst side effects ...
Putting Tren in the same class as regular test is done by people that just don't respect compounds in my view.
This forum has a strong view when it comes to Tren and where possible i think we all try to advise against adding such a strong compound unless it's really necessary so comments like...it being the same as Test don't sound to clever
Absolutely, i dont particularly like calling someone out like that but its absolutely neccessary to keep less experienced members from doing something stupid with tren and to keep real info out there and no bro science. I still need to di a forum on tren with my personal experience and catscans to show what it did to my lungs, got 2 buddies who had theirs checked after i told them and they found that their lungsvhad scar tissue in them too from tren, it's no joke.
Bigmak2Clueless and you shouldn't be spouting stuff you know nothing about. Never and i mean never have i heard so much bs from 1 person. You sir are scare mongering, tren doesn't course the issues you've pointed out clearly you need to wise up because if that did happen it would of happened anyway regardless. I give up with people like you
When it comes to aas you should just stay away because uneducated people like you have no business in this world. funny you're the only one saying it and I've said it here many many times but yeah trens not bad for your right LOL have fun with that and your ignorance is sickening to any intelligent person
Don't waste your time fella..
I do believe that his ban last time was for taking things to far so just let him ride this one out
Yeah its just sickening the amount of ignorance he has and its very dangerous misinformation so its hard not to quell that bs, lol like no aas is dangerous right lol anyway gotta get the kid to bed haveva good night man
Bigmak2That's rubbish what you said there and you're not calling me out. There's no studies or any medical journals that would point to what you said. Let me repeat tren as in acetate form enanthate form or hex form is no more toxic than test end of. You're clearly jumping on the band wagon of all the Internet shit that's talked about.
AnonJust like there's no medical studies on test or anadrol causing gaul stones? Or test causing prolactin issues? They do exist actually.
Lmao no its not and it is clearly way more toxic than testosterone you could go through the bloods on here there are many and testosterone doesn't give you Scar Tissue on your lungs LOL comments like that are just the epitome of ignorance. What it does to your cardiovascular system can just be enough that it is way more toxic than testosterone LOL have you ever even run Tren? And there's no studies on that because it was made for cattle and you don't see very many studies at all about aas go watch generation iron in it doctor tells you why they don't
Personally, I can't concur with the statement that Trenbolone is overly toxic, at least not moreso than other commonly (ab)used steroid hormones. Actually, there are some (newer) studies done on Trenbolone which indicate that it is indeed less toxic than Testosterone and may thus somewhen be used as an alternative to Testosterone in hormone replacement therapy (rf. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21266670 - "In conclusion, improvements in body composition, lipid profile and insulin sensitivity (key risk factors for cardiometabolic disease) were achieved with six-week TREN treatment without evidence of adverse cardiovascular or hepatic effects that are commonly associated with traditional anabolic steroid misuse." and rf. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21266670 - "Our findings indicate that TREN has advantages over supraphysiological testosterone and supports the need for future preclinical studies examining the viability of TREN as an option for androgen replacement therapy.").
These statements correlate with my personal experiences in regards to Trenbolone (ab)use: I've used more than 1.000 milligrams of Trenbolone Acetate/Hexahydrobenzylcarbonate/Enanthate per week on various occasions and have never (!) experienced any precarious side-effects, neither cardiovascular nor hepatic nor nephrotic symptoms - quite the opposite. As soon as I introduced Trenbolone into my system (whilst reducing my Testosterone dose), my blood pressure and pulse would normalize, my blood lipids would improve (increase in HDL, decrease in LDL), my acne would disappear completely etc. For me, Trenbolone is way superior to Testosterone - in regards to overall health and bodybuilding respectively powerlifting purposes.
Furthermore, I won't deny that you have problems with your respiratory system - however, how can you certainly attest these symptoms to your Trenbolone (ab)use? Can you - without any doubt - identify your Trenbolone administration as the sole cause of said problems? I doubt that very much.
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That's great and all but rat studies don't mean shit, not taking sides but if you're gonna say it's not anymore toxic then post some human studies to prove this.
There really isn't many (if any) human studies bro. Parabolin was only around for a short time and was pulled off the market. The only true studies we have is of all of us pulling bloods and seeing what it does to our individual systems. My bloods are pretty much the same with or without tren. My bp is much worse on EQ (which everyone thinks is mild) or a higher dose of test. Everyone reacts different to different compounds. If I take 30mg of dbol a day I get MASSIVE nose bleeds in the shower every morning...look how many guys run up to 100mg of dbol a day without any problems. Different strokes for different folks my man
I agree, what works for one person might kill another lol. I'm not for or against the argument, I think in this scenario due to lack of credible evidence the truth only lies in the individual experience.
But I still think rat studies are bullshit ;-P
AnonI've always wondered why they don't use apes or monkeys over rats. I mean arnt apes supposed to be our closet skeletal structure? So make more sense to experiment with them yes?
They should just let humans be test subjects if they choose to. Make them aware of the risk, pay them good money and then get to work.
Or just use death row inmates, whatever's cheaper lol
They do both of those now
God bless 'Merica!!!!
Lol
AnonWell fuck me then lol I didn't know this either
Lol yeah there's always paid drug trials mainly in Cali an NY and they do testing on inmates in most country's, psychological studies too like give them drugs an apply some external stimuli like pictures on a screen to study their reactions but those are mainly to study the criminal or homicidal mind. There was a prisoner who donated his bodyvto science after being executed and they cut him into tiny slices and his whole body is in between glass slides now, could probably find them on Google, believe thatvwas Cali too.
Edit it was Texas his name is under donors
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_Human_Project
Chimps are %98 identical in terms of our genome's but their was this guy in the 80's an 90's who protested all that, he was actually on a episode of Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory about humanzees lol look it up its wild but that guy got them to stop testing on monkeys an higher animal life forms but they still do but its hush hush, so now they're go to are mice bc let's face it most of the world hates them.
AnonWow I didn't know this man thanks for the info but yea I'll look into that interview.
Give them a vote if you find it helpful.PermalinkNp, its deff interesting to say the least lol YouTube has it
Bigmak2Thank you bud saved me a lot of time. I was going to do the same thing but it was late and i was tired
I wouldn't really understand how tren would be favored over testosterone almost everybody gets Tren cough and it's murder on your cardiovascular system you know people need to breathe so it's doubtful testosterone wood ever be replaced with that. But yes I and two of my friends can definitely attribute that the scar tissue on your lungs came from Tren. We are all non-smokers 2. When you get Tren cough it's because a little bit of oil gets into your bloodstream and travels to your lungs. There's a lot of unknowns when it comes to this butt yeah it makes you ripped up but what good is that if you can't breathe and you're messing up your cardiovascular system? Butt there are tons of Bloods up with people's lipids shot to shit from Tren. But keep in mind that article all has to do with low doses of Tren and let's face it nobody does low doses of Tren so you can't really call in to mind that article in the bodybuilding world.
Very detailed post there fella....thanks
I think a lot of the comments that we tend to pass are based on what effects us as individuals and there will always be a report of some sort based around what we take / inject but there is no better info than hearing or reading the effects that it has on people within this forum as this is one of the sole reasons we log in to gain real info which is tried and tested.
I'm in no way taking sides but simply passing a comment as to how I think most of us tend to receive our info and then use this info to decide which compounds to use.
Bigmak2But i also think you're wrong as in putting down that tren is some kind of compound that's dangerous to use and highly toxic! That isn't the case at all. I understand you're in the way of thinking as in keeping people safe but you're Barking up the wrong tree in this instance bud.
Ruff !! Ruff!!