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And that's fucking stupid. If you're going to be shooting EOD why not run test prop? Doesn't that make more sense to u? Sus has one single advantage over test e and c. That's the fact that it's going to get going in your system a little quicker. Is that worth having to pin so much more often? I say no. A newb will say yes. Blood stability levels are crucial. With sus to get good steady levels you must pin EOD. If u don't, not only are u wasting the prop Ester but u aren't getting good steady levels and that means sides. I'll say it again. Test e or c is a better choice than sus. There is a reason that all competitive guys run test e or c, not sus.
I'll tell you why people use it. Because of the decanoate ester. It is so long that your doses end up compounding on top of each other. With the same mg dose of sust, your blood levels will peak higher and longer than with e or c.
www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/how-do-different-esters-work-t...
very good bro! wish i could + 1 you on this!!
Thanks for thought bro, but it's really all about helping and teaching my bros.
X2 brothers
Great link brother, I have taken sus many ove many cycle and had great results when pinning EOD. Better results than pinning test e 2x a week. Think I will stick with the sus vs trying test c. Pinning EOD isn't an issue
I've been using a MWF protocol. I don't even notice a dip on Sundays when I have the extra day between pins. That only makes for 1 more pin than e or c. Which is no biggie to me, especially since I'm a TNE whore lol.
Couldn't agree more bro I do the same shit. Also Sust was originally designed for TRT patients to be able to inject once every 4 weeks (decanoate ester), instead of having to go to a clinic every week for a test c or e injection. I love Sust and I don't give a fuck about more pins because I am 110% dedicated to this lifestyle and if that means more pins so be it. HGH split am/PM is 2 a day. TNE is 3-4 days a week. People who run certain peptides are pinning multiple times every day. It's not the amount of pins it's what you get out of them!
Same here brother MWF and like you said what's it matter if you blast TNE then downing some pre workout! It take me longer to tie my shoes than it does to prep and pin.
Great rite up and yea that all makes sense seeing it was invented by drs/chemists in an attempt to have more stable blood levels with the introduction of different esters. The only downside is pinning eod which I feel you should do for stability, I've seen awesome results using sust like that.
The credit goes to cry havoc for doing the math on the esters. I know a lot of bros get away with a MWF protocol, and I'm currently doing that too. It seems pretty stable so far and it's only 1 extra pin per week. However I use TNE 3-4 times per week anyway so the extra pin is no bug deal to me like it is for 1 of the bros in here.
I do the same but with test aqueous
If you look at the test e or c ester it gives you a big spike 24-48hrs after inject then slowly declines over 14-21days, so if you pin 2x weekly they compound on top of each other as well.
Did you check out the charts in the link I posted? If you look at the isocsproate ester (just a little shorter than e or c), it takes 87 days to fully clear the body based off of 1 injection. The decanoate ester takes an incredible 140 days to clear. As you can see there is absolutely no comparing the compounding effect of decanoate vs e or c. Obviously you are dead set in your thinking that e or c is superior, but I think it's plain to see that sust will give better peak blood levels. I'm not sure if you will read it but here is another link:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/how-half-life-math-works
No not dead set, lets face it none of us know it all, I learn more each.day , will give sust a go on next cycle pinning 3x weekly mon wed fri? Is that how you do it?
First I should say, this all just my opinion and people do react differently to all compounds. 3x a week is what I've been doing.
Keep in mind that there is only 30 mg of prop in a traditional sust. With the half life of prop being roughly 2 days, by day 3 you would still have roughly 10.25 mg in your system. If you pinned EOD you would have roughly 15 mg still active by the time you're due to pin again. Which makes a difference of only 4.75 mg. So it's not a major fluctuation on the Sundays you would miss your pin, if you pinned EOD.
I commend you on being open minded bro, and it's just 1 extra pin per week but I think you will see the difference by about week 7-8 once the decanoate has had a chance to build.
I am going to try it my next cycle, love trying new cycles, compounds etc, will givethe suste a try as test source, have to pick up a jug from x now will get the 500 variety as I love high dose gear plus eo doesnt seem to bother me to bad, winter is coming prob do a bulk cycle with suste base, tren a or e, and vit a or d oral , seems to do.very well for me! :-)
I agree with bigboss 10 have used sust and find test e or c better w 2x weekly pins, also if you study the actual pharmokinetics of sust and 4 esters its front loaded , you get much better and steadier blood levels with e or c 2x weekly.
Shooting EOD isn't that big of a deal. And from my experience I get better results on sus than test e for massing. Just wanted a comparison of test c vs sus since I have never ran test c. What's your opinion of test c vs test e?
I'm in your same boat even knowing I've been messing with aas for 8+ years, did all the tests except c and am thinking of running it soon and I've heard ppl say Cyprus takes a little longer to kick in idk if that's true but I will find out soon enough
Same here brother been cycling for about 9yrs but as far a test I have always used E or sus.
No difference dude.
Yes sus has been my goto for massing for years so just wanted to get some other thoughts. Thanks brother
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Sent X an email....how long for a response?
Probably tonight bro but since holiday weekend...maybe not for a day or 2.
Thanks bigboss
looking at that zyklon tne and prop for my next cycle
hey man...just out of curiosity, did you ever hear back? I too sent an email a few days back but never got a response. Figured it was probably due to the holiday weekend.
I have been answering all emails. I sent you a friend request, accept it and shoot me a pm. also try sending me another email, maybe from another server.
Thanks for the reply man, ill shoot ya a pm.