+ 6 Vitamin E 'aka' (Golden Test)
Ok guys....pic #1 is Vitamin E Acetate (which you can also get as a white powder). It has a melting point of about 85°f. Pic #2 is Vitamin E Tocopherol and has a melting point of around 18°f. These are being mixed into Testosterone raws and sold to stretch it and/or fake it altogether. Do NOT be fooled by (Golden Test Raws) as that is not a real thing. A lot of these sources are under educated on their own products and believe what their suppliers tell them. If you receive Testosterone that is a darker gold and it is not that way due to over heating or some kinda dark carrier oil then it is most likely Vitamin E or a mix of the two. Again, there are no Golden Test raws. I've heard sellers say.... "Well, it's golden because it's so fresh.". False! Testosterone raws fresh or not are not golden. Sources are being fooled. Always test your gear or aquire it from a source you KNOW you can trust. Now, for my next magic trick.... watch me get hated on by all the sources that received "Golden Test Raws"!
Pic #3 is Test Enanthate which can also be a solid block of off white due to its low melting point and has a very distinct smell.
Pic #4 is Test Propionate which has a very identifiable crystally structure.
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Usually the opposite when it comes to oxidation. Some raws get darker as they have more exposure to air, heat, etc. Tren being of course the most well know. Test E melts above room temp but that shouldn't affect the color.
What does affect the color is the change of precursors used to make them. Since China has cracked down on hormone manufacturing as well as added protective measures to plants and made some of these precursors controlled/monitored, labs have shifted away from using the main precursors, yams. Well, the chemical found inside which is now being controlled as an industrial product. Because these are tougher to get, they've had to use alt sterols from things line pine, soy and some other shit that still produces the same end result but with variable differences. possibly more contaminates/less purity if not done properly, different smell, color, higher pip, etc.
The market is moving away from China for this reason but other countries don't have the shipping logistics and reach that China once had. It's been a slower transition than we had hoped for and this enforcement has become harder than anyone expected.
Yessir....it became very evident very quickly which sources were getting their raws from China. Do you happen to know what caused the crackdown all the sudden? I was told by several suppliers over there that it was due to the tariffs which made no sense because they are still pumping out the peptides and glp1's like crazy.
perfect storm, crackdown on fent, environmental regulations, etc.
Peptides are easier for them to manufacture, no restrictions, low material use.
Isn't it difficult to produce testosterone? Is it difficult to make it in vials?
Ohh yeah that makes perfect sense. I wasn't thinking about all the fetty. This worlds so wild these days man.
Contaminants... that was bugging me
Many of these bigger companies that claim to get raws never actually even see raws. They like to claim that so it appears that they made the gear themselves when in fact they actually purchase finished gear. So when it comes in from the supplier and it's over heated and dark in color they are just told that the raws used were golden or whatever, but in all actuality they have no clue whatsoever and are just going off what they're told. This is why testing is so important because it can be over heated or it can be something foreign like Vitamin E altogether. When a company claims they used Golden raws that tells me without a doubt they get finished oils drop shipped. Such as Ultima. They claimed they were sent Vitamin E in place of Test C and E raws. However test E and C look very much different in structure, smell and consistency which tells me they don't actually get raws at all, but rather finished product because if they've been in the game for decades brewing then how the hell did they not realize such an obvious difference.
I think at this point we all need a reliable source. Im all ears.
Dragon Pharma gear is always on point bro. They've got one of the longest running reputations of any other brand.
I thought Mrs E always came in a Golden shower?
Lol.....Seen some lately that looks like someone shit on her chest.....freaky! It can be white. I'm not sure what structure it is, but I've definitely seent it.
Hmmm....
All great info. The one thing I'd add is thay It's not just dark gold color oils to be wary of.
The bunk stuff from Ultima was crystal clear.
Was so happy when I received mine. Crystal clear, no
pip. Also no test. Wish those donuts at Ultima could have gotten the raws incorrect on a different substance, test is the last thing you want being bunk!
I feel it bro...now you know moving forward to always double check. Even if it's just a cheap Roidtest to see that it's actually in there. Any peace of mind is better and safer than none. Look at the world we live in now...you never know.
If you or anyone reading this knows where to get a cheap roof test please let me know. Bloods and roid tests over here cost a pretty penny as far as I’m aware. I’m still pinning other vials of Ultima test e as batch numbers aren’t (yet) identified as bad. Have some old Pharmaqo e300 but the pip I get from it is awful.
Heat that Pharmaqo up and blast it bro.
https://www.nxtlevelsupplements.com/products/roid-test-testosterone-test...
Could also dilute the pharmoqo with a little carrier oil
Thanks bro. I’ll work up the courage.
Where are you located? Just so if I visit I know to bring some (roid test)
Sunny England. Very generous of you bro
Yes that is why I added that the Vitamin E Acetate comes in white as well.
Great post bro … very informative ..
Sources that sold empty oil should be included in the top 5000)
Pretty sure you missed the whole point my man. Stay with me now..... Sources are knowingly and some unknowingly selling Test that is comprised of Vitamin E and Test or just Vitamin E right now such as the recent Ultima batches literally EVERYONE has been talking about.
If there's no testosterone in it, the sellers will be quickly exposed. I don't know what will happen from an overdose of vitamin E if it's added to Testosterone.
Yes, like Ultima they will be quickly exposed. However, there are many that are stretching their gear with it due to the shortage crisis aka "Golden Test" or "Golden Test Raws" so it still has some amount of Test, but not the amount stated. Such as Test 250 having 100mg Test and 150mg Vitamin E creating a very gold underdosed product.
Jano would have to be falsifying reports then. Since the super dark red/orange test e actually tested at the labeled dosage. Everyone has a price though…
There’s actually a lot of dirty raws being pushed right now. Shit that looks like play sand. Janos comes back saying it’s just the proper hormone, albeit in the 80s for purity %, with a bunch of production byproducts, chemicals, reagents, etc (GCMS being done not just HPLC). Like the purification process is being skipped altogether.
Don’t see it changing anytime soon either unfortunately
Well, like I said if the Test is heated too long or heated at too high a temperature it will also turn darker the longer or hotter it is heated. It is still ok to use normally, but should not be heated to that extent and generates a questionable product. However, when a source tells you it's that color because they used "Golden Test Raws" that is simply just not true.
Oh yea I’m not arguing with the “golden raws” bs. Mine are all white… and like you said the smell is unmistakable
Now I understand
Haha it's all good brother. Eroids was a place where it all started for me around 15 years ago. I decided I wanted to cycle gear and found Eroids. Because of the members I gained a ton of knowledge and was able to live a healthy lifestyle. Now 15 years later and with a shit ton more knowledge I'm back to return what was given to me. This is a site I believe and trust in whole heartedly and I feel at this point it's only right that I do for others what was done for me.
WorstGeneticsMan, you nailed it. That’s what we like to hear.
It's all about helping each other make all our goals and lifestyle choices healthy and safe brother!
When Test E melts it has a slightly yellow hue to it. However, once it is broken down into the oil, BA and bb carriers it becomes clear or very slightly gold, but never this dark crap we've been seeing. Use your heads, be smart and deal with sources that aren't making crazy claims or have a history of issues. No gains are worth risking your health and safety!