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+ 4 Update (Test/Tren/Var)

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After some modifications this is what I'm running. Trying to keep blood levels steady with more frequent injections. First 2 pictures from the start, last 2 are current)

Started off with
(Weeks 1-3):
*Test-E: 250mg/week (125mg/every 3rd day)

(Weeks 4-6):
*Test-E: 400mg/week (200mg/every 3rd day)

(Weeks 7-9):
*Test-E: 400mg/week (200mg/every 3rd day)
*Anavar: 30mg/day
*Cialis: 5mg everyday

(Weeks 10-11):
*Test-E: 500mg/week (250mg/every 3rd day)
*Anavar: 40mg/day
*Cialis: 5mg everyday

(Weeks 12-14):
*Test-E: 500mg/week (250mg/every 3rd day)
*Tren-E: 150mg/week (75mg/every 3rd day)
*Anavar: 40mg/day
*Cialis: 5mg everyday

(Weeks 15-16):
*Test-E: 750mg/week (250mg/MWF)
*Tren-E: 375mg/week (125mg/MWF)
*Anavar: 50mg/day
*Cialis: 5mg everyday

Measurements:
*Height: 6' 1
*Weight: 212 lbs

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press1's picture

Trenbolone Enanthate & 50mg Anavar ED SMFH

Half of these Donkey's have no respect for trenbolone these days, no idea of the devastation it causes to you internally and no business in using it.

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Bearded_muscle's picture

You look good but you’re taking a lot of gear just to look like a good natural lifter. Your before pic indicates you need a lot more diet and training adherence when you aren’t on gear. If you can get your off cycle routine under control you’ll benefit much more both on and off.

Keep pushing, I hope you’ve learned some good tools you can implement long term to keep this look up.

JakeKO's picture

Good progress, although your cycle is a little out of whack. It would make a little more sense if you were running Tren A, but that Tren E is really just starting to kick in after four weeks, and really should have been introduced much earlier in the cycle. Stick around, you’re going to learn a lot of important things. I’ve done a lot of dumb shit on my journey. Found Eroids and learned what not to do

Ccacc's picture

Yeah I agree, heck I still do stupid shit but not as much

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TheSpartan's picture

Not really sure what to think here. According to your post history you did an equally yolo cycle with weird timings and a pointless ramp up, but you're definitely more muscular than the "before" pictures posted here. Fishing for upvotes?

Edit: maybe I should post my 18 year old pictures when I was 135 lbs soaking wet for some sweet, sweet internet points.

NWApatches's picture

Yeah dudes been on for last 6 months...

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BackdoorEnforcer's picture

Great progress, man. Really nice. Keep doing whatever you do, because it seems you know your stuff!!! Smile

simonmagus84's picture

Man, I’m not sure if this is before or after but if it’s before, I would urge to cut all your doses in half. Some would say to even drop the Tren all together but you’re going to run it regardless. I always have a hard time gaining size on Tren because of Fat burning properties regardless of what I eat. I would consider other compounds for adding quality size, at least for me.

I really don’t think that mega dose of test is necessary. Also, I don’t see anything for AI or prolactin.

BackdoorEnforcer's picture

Why do you think he needs anything for AI or prolactin? If he would need, he would add, imo... People nowdays just take shit for no reason.
Some 15 years ago on some forum i got banned when i said that i dont take AI on 1g of test. Well, 15 years went by and i have not-taken AI and i have taken AI. I have had my estro 10x the norm, and i have had it inside the normal with AI... I have never felt or seen any difference. I did 10 years without AI and 5 years on. Nowdays i dont take it because well - i dont feel different besides bloodwork just showing numbers.
Altho many people are more estro-sensitive, prolactin is an issue in very rare cases in my experience. 375mg of tren is a lot for me nowdays, but some 5 years ago i went as high as a gram and i didnt take anything for prolactin. It was the upper limit normal in bloodwork.

simonmagus84's picture

Before we go back and forth on this topic, the OP originally didn’t state that he routinely gets blood work. It wasn’t necessarily an assumption that he would need an AI or Caber but he didn’t specify he ran bloods until we started questioning his cycle layout or if he was starting or finishing this cycle. There are protocols to this site where we don’t randomly give information out unless we know cycle history, current physique or even some information regarding age. Respectfully speaking, I can reverse the same logic toward you in a sense because what you experienced vs the OP isn’t relevant which you even stated in your reply. Let’s break down your statements. For example:

Why don’t you think he needs anything for AI or prolactin ?

If he needs it DOES he have ? He didn’t state that he has it in case.

People take shit for no reason. Yes, including mega doses that aren’t necessary. I’ve seen members here make much better progress with far less gear and as far as his starting physique, it isn’t advised for him to run a Tren Cycle with his stats. I’d even say fine if he funds Tren, start with 200 mgs. You are another story with your physique and I think most would agree.

You proceeded to inform me of your history, making a case as an example to the board on how you didn’t need an AI despite high estro numbers and no sides. Again, that’s relative to you. I know plenty of members including myself who can’t exceed past certain dose without severe side effects. You’re more of an anomaly than you think. Genetics play a factor and not everyone can do what you do. You further went on to say many people are estro sensitive which contradicts the point you were making, then you attempt to make the same point regarding prolactin how you can run up to a gram of Tren back then without needing Caber. Again, that’s relative to you, not the majority depending on dose. You’re an exception.

If you knew his starting point, would you recommend him to use Tren ? Would you recommend he runs test at 750mgs? Would you recommend him not having AI handy?

You don’t have to answer but the truth is, less can be more.

PS, you’re one of the only guys I’ve ever heard that ran up to a gram of Tren, I’m glad you didn’t suffer from the effects. I replied on color so it’s easier on the eyes. My reply to you wasn’t out of disrespect but just so you know there are 20 year olds on this Forum who read the interactions. So before people YOLO because bro did a gram of Tren, that means I’m a bro and I can do it. There are repercussions far worse than prolactin to worry about with Tren. So I apologize for the reverse psychology.

Jockstrap's picture

Yolo

Rosschestzip's picture

I would say your an exception BUT I think your right about not a lot people having prolactin related issues. I’m sensitive to prolactin and it seems like no one else is but I’m kinda like you and have gone up to 750 with no AI. I probably should’ve taken it around 759 but I can definitely run 600 without it, but 400 NPP and my nipples swell right up and need caber every three days

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NWApatches's picture

Well you might be a stand out. Most guys that read this forum would need some kind of AI running that length at that dose. I definitely would. My nipples would be screaming and splitting at the seams. Which ofc the person would need to get labs done and see what's going on which alot don't seem to do either.

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BackdoorEnforcer's picture

im not saying people dont need AI, im saying that many people just add AI even before they know they need it... we shouldnt add drugs by default, imo.

NWApatches's picture

What this guy said. If your goal is to gain size you should start eating more. I think your relying waaaayy too much on gear to get you what you want. If you did just run tren for 16 weeks with 3/4 gram of test a week to have a good base to start with you should scrap it and start over and do it without gear. Everything in your pic could have been obtained without any steroid or supplement. Just food and heavy weights woulda got you there and more

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Jack2070's picture

Post edited for better understanding

NWApatches's picture

Ahh I see. That's not a good cycle there my man.. not in my opinion. Trenbolone for four weeks is almost pointless. It's taking that long to really take hold and show you it's worth. I'm not hating on you by any means I used to Dr up my own shit too and struggled for a while. If your trying to GAIN. You must take in the calories. It's eating all the time. It gets old and hard to do. You must lift heavy weight. The truth is you just ran a 16 week cycle to look like a guy that didn't take gear. If we're gonna do this let's fucking lay the hammer to it. It's only really done one way brother. IMO Eat more, lift heavy

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Jack2070's picture

Bro why do you think the cycle is over. That's why I named it update... this is what I'm currently running.

NWApatches's picture

Listen broski I'm not hating at all. The before and after is big right. You've made a big change. Man this forum should charge a subscription fee with how much and how knowledgeable the information is here. Both good and bad. Everything you need is right here

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Ccacc's picture

You are 16 weeks into this protocol ?

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Ccacc's picture

Both of these gentlemen are correct Jack2070, I want to say good luck with your cycle

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