posted Fri, 07/05/2019 - 20:56
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+ 3 Unlabeled Domestic Somastim IGF-1 LC/MS
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IGF-1 LC/MS results after being 1 month on the NEW domestic Somastim.
First 2 weeks I used 5IU for 5 days on 2 days off
Second 2 weeks I used 5IU daily
Unfortunately I have no baseline so I cannot really gauge quality based on these results. PLEASE chime in.
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BTW OP
It's a good idea to run GH serum test on your new kits. You want a level of 15 or more for GH serum. Pin 10 IU 3-4 hours before the blood draw.
Note that SERMs like nolvadex and 19nors like tren/deca can lower IGF-1 response to HGH.
With no baseline u can't judge this number at all....Come off the GH and wait about 3 weeks to be sure you have returned to normal and pull bloods again to get ur baseline and do the test again...That's really the only way to know for sure because without a baseline you're just guessing
Hmmm. 5iu huh?? What do you think about it??
I have no baseline so it’s hard for me to tell but I’m looking into every possibility.
Better than what I think about it would be you jumping on these Domestic Somastim once you get them run them at the same dose as the Jin’s you recently got bloodwork on and get bloods again to compare.
Thats the plan. All i can do is wait and see what karl sends. I know were calling it domestic but i dont think my kits are within the lower 48
Hard to tell without baseline but over 300 tells me it HAD to go up significantly
Yeah my guess is that my baseline is really low somewhere in the 150’s probably.
Something like GORILLAFIT or yourself.
We just happen to be people with low baseline IGF.
What I don’t understand and you may chime in here Karl, is how come I’m a person with low baseline IGF and with 5IU daily im in the lower 300’s yet my pumps and changes since starting the HGH are dramatic everyone’s noticing and complimenting. I also have better muscle maturity and physique overall than 95% of your average gym goers. Shouldn’t someone with a naturally high baseline IGF and higher IGF readings have a better body? I’ve always even naturally had a better physique than the average person.
Impossible to say without a baseline.
It’s encouraging you tested with the Quest LC/MS methodology given you’ve removed as much chance of interference as possible so it shouldn’t be the Primo causing any issues here. It shouldn’t be the adex either as generally adex increases IGF-1 levels slightly when run concurrently with GH. How long after your previous days injection did you have the blood draw?
I’d say about 24 hours from previous days 5IU injection but I shot up 5IU about 2 hours before getting blood drawn.
What I don’t understand and you may chime in here Karl, is how come I’m a person with low baseline IGF and with 5IU daily im in the lower 300’s yet my pumps and changes since starting the HGH are dramatic everyone’s noticing and complimenting. I also have better muscle maturity and physique overall than 95% of your average gym goers. Shouldn’t someone with a naturally high baseline IGF and higher IGF readings have a better body? I’ve always even naturally had a better physique than the average person.
I can answer that. Think about this do you think a person with a acromegaly which causes high hgh and igf1 have a great body? The answer is no. Also think about this does a person with low hgh and igf1 levels grow to average height or tall? Again no. What builds great physiques naturally is genetics above average androgens and nitrogen retention.
It’s a good question and while I don’t know for sure as I have never researched this specifically I do have a theory.
Probably the most likely is simple genetics. “Good” genetics on one hand could see a person having high IGF-1 levels on hand hand and in the same person “poor” genetics leading to a lack of IGFBPs and/or low levels of IGF-1 receptors would see that person unable to put the high levels of IGF-1 to work effectively. It’s just an example but I hope it illustrates the point. You may have “low” levels on the range but are they low for you? Maybe you are genetically gifted in that you are able to really put IGF-1 to work more effectively than the average person. In fact if that was the case you could see the argument for your levels being “low” on the range. There simply may be no need for you to have excess IGF-1 and so adaptation takes place natty GH lowers and so does IGF-1. This is the body fighting for homeostasis. Last point here don’t forget the ranges are based on mean observation and are highly subjective especially without a baseline.
We see similar patterns emerging when you consider natty testosterone levels in some individuals where these are “low” on the range but they have very good physiques. Of course when they add aas then they blow up and develop great physiques.
Perhaps count yourself lucky in that you have clearly done very well with likely a “low” IGF-1 level. As you’ve said yourself since staring you’ve really started to transform. Seems to make sense to me but again it’s just a theory.
Honestly that was the very same thing I theorized.
It’s really the only explanation, Im basically either an over responder to IGF or have a high level of receptors so my body adapts and realizes I don’t need high HGH or IGF levels.
Here’s another theory. I recently saw somewhere that high IGF-1 levels correlate to premature death. Meaning people with low IGF-1 levels live longer. My theory is that’s probably why short people are scientifically proven to live longer. I myself am 5’3”.
I've seen a ton of studies on that fact. So is a 500-900 igf-1 level heathy in the long run if its knocking yrs off longevity. Your growing all types of muscle and organs. Think Cardiomegaly (enlarge heart) for example.
Link:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lcJDiZJthsk
It’s kinda a long talk with Dr Rand
Got some good dose info (test , anavar, Clen etc)
For hgh/IGF1 go to -04.45
He states a dose of apprx 2-4 iUs or a dose that will get you in the range of approx 300-350 IGF1 (safe dose/optimal IGF1)
I don’t understand.
So what does this mean for me taking 5IU and coming back with IGF at 314?
It means your IGF1 is 314ng/mL at 5ius?
I’m not quite sure I follow
Thank you for the test, we do encourage every customer to test and report, and always guarantee the quality
What other products you're taking bro ?
What I don’t understand and you may chime in here Karl, is how come I’m a person with low baseline IGF and with 5IU daily im in the lower 300’s yet my pumps and changes since starting the HGH are dramatic everyone’s noticing and complimenting. I also have better muscle maturity and physique overall than 95% of your average gym goers. Shouldn’t someone with a naturally high baseline IGF and higher IGF readings have a better body? I’ve always even naturally had a better physique than the average person.
So u have been running gh for 5 weeks.and now u have better muscle maturity and physique??...
Bro it doesnt work that way with gh not in 5 weeks...
@ZeusProdigy
I've ran GH confirmed to be potent at 36.7 ng/mL GH serum result. You can feel it at week 1 and see it at week 2.
The skin around the muscles gets tigher/thinner looking, hair/skin get more oily and soft. The 6 month minimum thing is non-sense broscience. Perhaps for peak body composition changes it takes longer, but you can see the difference in 2 weeks with legit GH.
I run 4 IU at bedtime.
Lmfaoo I’ve been running gear for years and have pretty extensive knowledge past your average gym user.
Trust me I know how HGH works.
Muscle maturity takes years to build and what I was referring too was that I currently have better muscle maturity than most people not because of the HGH , what was in question was how I have better muscle maturity when I seem to be someone with low natural IGF-1 blood levels.
Second I’ve ran HGH cycles two or three times before. Two cycles which I clearly remember using for 8 months straight and the other for over a year, I have experience with HGH and personally know how it works not just from reading on the internet.
LAST HGH can definitely give you a better physique in 5 weeks. I have lower body fat than most people without even having to diet. I also seem to react to any type of PED faster than most. So within 5 weeks of HGH at 5IU daily I’ve definitely noticed and anyone with low body fat can notice a leaner appearance specially in the belly area, my muscles get a way bigger pump and they look more 3D than usual. All that and correct me if I’m wrong is a better physique, and is easily attainable in 5 weeks with HGH at a decent dose. Will these be permanent gains ? No fucking way. There is no gear in the world that will give you permanent gains in 5 weeks, and it’s not HGH or any gear that doesn’t work like that it’s the human body.
I think he was saying he has had better muscle maturity for sometime and that on the basis that he suspects he has a low IGF-1 baseline that this was confusing.
Three is no linear correlation between the natural IGF1 levels and your muscle development (as impressive as the one you achieved) after years of using PEDs
Your feedback on the GH as you asses by muscle development, hardness, quality as well as the pumps speaks for themselves, the IGF1 exact score is just an indication, but of course far away from an absolute indication
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