I’d have to say this kicks like a fucking mule -- -- -- 0 PIP whatsoever using a 25g 1&1/2inch… oil so smooth/thin I feel like I can use my 27g tips for my pins…. Start off with 50mg you can always move up but man talk about a PRE-workout or a “get you’re mid right” in 45mins of this pin I’m telling you have you’re weights, you’re girl or whatever you need to destroy in that time will indeed be destroyed hahaha cheers boys! Highly recommend Ultima brand fashooo!!