+ 6 True Quality control measures via Muta Marciano
As you guys already know Muta is close to nailing down a deal to stock Hyges. He sent samples to Beaker on these Green tops and to me for Blood Serum testing.
As you can see the Mass Spec shows 95% purity. But my bloods which were done on Monday via standard protocol 10iu IM 3.5hr before draw show a raised Serum level but sub par numbers.
The whole point of running both Tests is for a true Quality control program that Muta takes very serious. When I told him of my results the dude was almost happy. He told me he was glad it was caught before putting it out on the market based on the high Mass Spec results.
This is why it's so important guys to run both Mass Spec Testing and Blood Serums together for HGH. One without the other just simply doesn't capture or illustrate the true picture.
These green top Hyges were from http://hygetropin.com.cn/
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AnonI still wouldnt mind an answer to my dumb question. Did you fast before testing ?
This is one of those tests that will be very fucked up if you ate.
AnonYes I did. The instruction for both of the blood tests I purchased the HGH serum and female hormone panel required 12 hr fasting. There's no such thing as a dumb question Novi. Not in my book anyhow.
Anonok cool I was just curious, because I did fuck up an HGH test once by having a little breakfast.
Fasting is for endogenous HGH tests. From everything I've read and tests I've done eating and not eating, Exogenous HGH levels are not affected by eating.
AnonReally? Hmmm that makes sense I suppose. I didn't want to take chances since the test calls for fasting. Right on bro. So u have taken the test fasting and not fasting and test came back fine huh?
Yes, both ways. But same as you I tend to Fast any way and do them in the morning. Pretty sure its the eating increases insulin, insulin stops HGH production. But you are introducing the HGH not producing it so the insulin doesn't affect your injected HGH levels. Eating can affect the other values in the Female Hormone Panel though.
music to my ears bro. Thanks gfit I learned something new today!
That's my understanding. But like anything, do some digging to verify.
AnonDp
Kinky!
This may be a dumb question but did you inject the whole vial and 2 iu from another, since those are 8iu
AnonNot dumb brother:) yes I did:)
AnonPerhaps stupid questions, but I didnt see the answers in your text.
Did you get these blood tersts done 1st thing in the morning ?
Had you fasted at least 12 hours before the blood was taken ?
Maybe absorption rate due to scar tissue? Have you done a lot of AAS injections in your delt in that area?
AnonPossibly? I'm a six spot rotation guy. I also used my normal 1" needle. Should I have used a 1.5"?
I just use a 5\8" slin pin.
AnonCan u get a good IM injxn?
Yes, I have almost zero fat on the delt and I push all the way so it dents in a lil. Its not like Test E where you wanna get it in deep for the pool to disperse slowly.
AnonOk cool. Yeah brother I'm at a loss. I was convinced they'd be higher you know. What's ur opinion on the serum levels?
I just noticed there are no labels on those bottles?!?!
My very first order of hyges came with no labels. Actually they charged me extra shipping and shipped the labels in a separated envelope. They were not from a typical source you see on this forum. They were actually a make up company in china. My second batch of hyges came from the very popular hyge source on this forum. Prior to taking the hyges I had purchased a kit from a local person which were relabeled yellow tops. I ran the yellow tops first, 100 iu kit, the hyges second, 200 iu kit, and the hyges third, 200 iu kit. The yellow top and unlabeled first kit of hyges did nothing for me. No sides. I bumped it up to where I was shooting the whole 10 iu yellow or 8 iu hyge one shot. Nothing. When I got into that second hyge kit the whole game changed. The sides got so bad that I quit the gh cold turkey and even after 30 days I still had a little numbness in my finger tips. It's all bull shit. Oh the yellow top left my stomach all bruised up too. Now I shoot the delt only with the gh. I hit the back delt with gh and the middle delt is for oils.
AnonYeah They were samples from the supplier sent to Muta. Dude wasn't going to order a bunch without sampling product. Do Hyges come labeled from the manufacturer? I've never run Hyges. I have had a stockpile of rips that I run daily
I have never seen hyges without labels. The labels show the batch and exp. date.
AnonOk it still leaves me with questions on how they got high mass spec and the serums can be what they were. Or do u think 14 is good?
WithdrawlI think there's a lot of room for variation with the timing and how different peoples bodies might process the HGH at a different rate. If you think about it, 3.5 hours is a short time and the difference of just a half hour can be very significant. You're results could be totally accurate and hit right at YOUR peak time, or maybe you missed your peak by a little bit. I think multiple blood tests should be done from different people. Seeing as how the mass spec was good and your HGH serum was hugely elevated, it's worth more testing in my opinion. These are just my theories by the way and I know I could be completely wrong, lol.
AnonI'm thinking ur right. Good input
AnonI used a 5/8 slin pin on my test , delt and glute . Sometimes abdomen
beyondimportsNot to mention igf is really where it's at... That should be tested as well
AnonI've read somewhere that igf testing is a truer measure of good HgH. Care to expand on why? For whatever reason its been an unspoken rule here that HGH serum testing is the standard.
Does exogenous injections on a one time basis cause elevated IGF levels? I know it does with Serums. But this was a one time IM injection. What level range would signify a quality product? Would the timeframe stay the same?
I believe a lot of it has to do with overall effectiveness of HGH.
You see shooting 10iu 3 hours before a test will show if it's real or not, but not always accurate. Due to different release rates and metabolism of people this can vary in people. One person may have peak levels for 2.5 hours another could have high levels for 5 hours. Also where you injection will cause the drug to hit the bloodstream quicker than other spots.
IGF raises with HGH but it takes a lot of time to continue to go up. Some say it takes a month or more of constant daily injections for IGF levels to peak. Missing a few days of HGH can really cause a drop in IGF levels.
So igf levels are also helpful
also I think novice shot his 3 hours before the test. You did 3.5 hours so that could be maybe why yours wasn't as high
X2 - I think people use the serum test as a quick and dirty method for testing if there's real GH, but as you say the IGF1 is kind of a guage of effectiveness. You might have to pin more or less to get IGF1 in an optimal range depending on objective and the quality of GH.
Anonand as you mentioned I had many days off HGH . 10 days in fact with no HGH injection at all.
JohnnyBlackNot exactly sub par. Should be 20 but everyone's different
AnonWell it's more to do with the Mass Slec saying 95% and the wave of recent Serum numbers coming in much Higher for Hyges. These numbers are more normal for a recent batch of blue tops generics Gfit recently tested.
Ohhh soo pretty ! +3 !
Excellent Mexy. Always on point for the community! +1
Oh.. I see you're on some legit test! Lol
AnonThat's Mutas Sust500:) I was pissed the test didn't show the real total. I've been lazy with my Aromasin too so I better get that estro in check soon.
What batch number are these?
AnonWhat u see is what I was given.
Obama BlowsI fucking love all the lab results that have been pouring in lately! +1
Couldn't agree more Sexy re: running a full spectrum of tests. You could have high purity of something but not enough of it to do the job. +1
RustyhookerSo there was mass purity but not quality/strength? Or low dose? Sorry....I'm still learning about gh.
AnonI'm not quite sure either. The sample sent to Beaker had a high purity. But the actual dose of what I injected for testing either wasn't adequate or I simply didn't respond. I've heard some guys don't respond well. I injected 10iu IM to the left delt @0830hrs and had labs drawn at almost 1200hrs exactly. So I know it wasn't user error.
WithdrawlI really believe that people's bodies process injected HGH at different rates. If you think about it, 3.5 hours is a very short time frame and I think there's more room for variation than we think. I don't have any facts to base this on, just a theory.
AnonWell there's definitely product in there. The serum level wouldn't be we're its at it it was bunk. It's just lower than some others that have been testing at.
RustyhookerAlways odd how different folks react. Definitly proves yet again how different we are even though were basically the same organism.