+ 4 Tren issues
Had an issue with Big D's Tren A...Ran it at 100mg ED and never got any of the Tren Benefits or sides that are common with Tren....No night Sweats, no cough (some never get the cough) no noticeable strength increases, no extra aggression nothing...It didn't smell or taste like Tren either...So i got my hands on a bottle of Tren A from Optimal and i noticed there is quite a difference in the color as well....so i emailed Big D to ask if there was anyone else having an issue with that batch or could the bottles have possibly been mis-labled and he basically told me to fuck off and go elsewhere..so i'll just post the pictures and my story here and let others decide...I'm not into bashing sponsors but I think at best his Tren is underdosed and at worst it wasn't Tren at all...Sucks because he comes highly recommended and there are alot of bro's who have no complaints at all but i didn't like his response to being questioned..Shit happens it could have been a mistake but apparently he doesn't make mistakes..
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THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT! YOUR A FUCKING CON SCAM ARTIST AND RIPPING PEOPLE OFF AND STEALING THEIR $ SENDING THEM YOUR VARIOUS EMAIL ADDYS SO THEY CAN BUY YOUR "NOVOTROPIN" CRAP HGH. STAY AWAY FROM WAYBACK! HE'S THE "SOURCE" BEHIND THOSE NOVOTROPINS. GLAD I DIDN'T FALL FOR YOUR BULLSHIT....I KNEW IT ALL ALONG!
"idiot and troll"? You're talking shit about college and even high school then calling names. What does that say about you? The guy with the complaint was getting his point accross just fine without the immaturity. You have to assume you will get differing opinions on jut about any topic that may come up. Maybe GS9902 is arguing so strongly because he's running the product that's being called into question. The superiority complex is nothing more than a display of feeling inferior simply because of the way you choose to argue. Can't there be a debate without name calling? To the original poster, excuse my interceding here but I had no problem with your original point. You had a valid argument. But all this extra shit is just juvenile. I hope you cleared up your issue WayBack. Rinse, you're childish name calling is a display of your lack of intelligence. If you were as smart as you claim
You are, you should be able to debate without personal attacks. Just my $0.02 but who am I? I'm not real. None of this is
I've seen a shitload of pics of D's tren and its always a lot darker and idc what ppl say, tren color makes a difference when all of his other vials are orange and then these three are yellow. Which in my mind can only mean one thing, the vials u have here are underdosed or diluted, maybe it was just a mistake, but it seems as if when he was brewing the tren he had a little bit left and it only filled a few vials halfway or something so he topped it off with plain oil basically watering it down so to say. And big D fans- im not saying that is true as I don't know for sure but its just an observation because this is the second time I've heard this exact story about D's tren in the last month. Idk what else to say
Well thanks bro and for the record i have posted another picture here in the pic section showing the label because there have been a few members here that are questioning me as to whether or not they came from who i said they came from...so to silence the little bitches (1 in particular) the picture has been posted
I like bigd gear but I agree with you about getting attacked for bad reviews. I would of thought it would stop after the NG scam. People were writing bad reviews then being attacked and called trolls. We all know what happen there .I have had a few conversations with people who didnt like gear from whoever but wont say shit cuz of flaming.
Bro if he woulda taken one pic of the label saying Tren I would've bought the whole deal. Maybe he could show the pic of that label saying Tren and prove me wrong. I'd be the first one to apologize.
And straight up nobody should worry about getting flamed. I'm only here to get High Quality medicine for cheap. Not to get points. If I meet some cool guys along the way then hey fuck it. Getting flamed on this site is the equivalent of Farting in a full elevator. It's a bit embarrasing when it happens but fuck it I could give a fuck if u don't like the smell of my farts. :-)
Bro i'm going to post the picture of the bottle in about 10 minutes here in the pic section with the title that reads GS9902 this for you....and then i want you to apologize in the thread for being a cheerleader and then go fuck yourself...Your a fucking loser with nothing else to do...Do you think for one minute that i would accuse anyone of selling something that i felt was underdosed or mislabeled when that person is so well liked and respected and happens to be a top sponsor on the board i am a member of?? What would the point of that be?? That's like fucking asking to get flamed and called out...I call it like i see it bro there was an issue with the product and i brought that issue to his attention end of story..
Lol. I love farting on elevators. Anyways I was just talking in general.not about anyone specific
There you go! "ZERO SMELL" in raw form!! That cant be the base of your argument. Neither can color! Frankie has posted about the oxidation process and how it determines color. He is an EXPERT brewer!
Another determining factor of color is the carrier. I had a question about his TNE because of color. Everyone else had lightly colored oil, mine was piss yellow. He told me that he used a different carrier in that batch. Sometimes EO, Gso, Guaciol. There are a lot of possibilities here.
Tren does have a very distinct smell to it. The cough however is NOT a given. Every user does not experience the chest tightness or cough. I am one if the guys who no matter what I do I get that feelin and taste. Tren does not ALWAYS have that golden color. I can tell you for a fact that when I brew tren a the color is determined by te amount of time I let it sit in the solution. If I don't wait it's a very light yellow. If I let I sit a few days, it comes out looking like rusty water. This is only the oxidation rate. Another thing is , I do not use raw powders as these sources do so I can control the color of the gear. I'm almost certain that when it comes to raw, is not te same as working with fina. I am not saying you're not being truthful, but Big D has a very good reputation here and on other boards and guess what his top product is?? Tren!! There was a complaint on another board about the tren last week. However, the complainant was asked by a mod to send the bad gear to him for testing. The guy said "Ohh I sold it". And a day later asked big d if he could order more. My point is this would be te first "legit" complaint about his tren or quality of any of his products. We can complain about gettin orders in and waiting weeks but not te quality. With that said what do you feel the problem is? Do you think it's a mix up of labels or str8 up bunk??
Don't know bro....I figured maybe it was just a label screw up...i know what tren is supposed to smell like and these bottles didn't have that distinct smell at all...I also know that not everyone gets the cough but almost everyone that i know sweats a little more while on tren and i wasn't getting that either....i also know if you taste tren it tastes different than test...this had the funny copper taste to it but it didn't have that distinct smell bro..Shit i've said it before and i'll say it again the guys rep is solid i'm not saying there was anything done outright to screw me over i just felt like something wasn't right with these and his initial response wasn't very good (understandably he thought i was trying to get something for nothing) and here we are...I have a single empty bottle left and you can't do anything with that so there's really no point in continuing with this...if i had ordered more of them and i still had some full ones left i would be more than happy to send them to him or anyone else so they could check em for themselves and if there dead on then i guess i'm one of the only guys ever that needs 2cc's a day instead of 1 to get anything out of it....Sucks bro it really does but i felt like it needed to be addressed after he didn't want to talk with me initially...
I would say it has to be a mistake if I was putting money on it. I just can't see him purposely fucking anyone. I have seen him not only fix mistakes but make it way more than better. Throwing extra gear at his mistakes constantly. He seems to be one of those ppl who wana his name associated with quality. I think you're best move is to continue diplomacy and he'll straighten it out. I would love to know what the issue is tho if you do find out. I'm even more curious now about how raw powders differ from my usual home brew fina and syno. Good luck homie
Well to tell you the truth i don't trust the gear so i won't take any freebies...you can pm him and tell him to ship it to you instead i'll pass
Wow u guys are hilarious. If the Tren ain't orange or rusty it ain't Tren. Plain and simple
Ok bro this will be my last response to u and then i really must move on and talk to someone who has a clue....Think about what you just said and say it again
IF TREN AIN'T ORANGE OR RUSTY IT AIN'T (it's isn't) TREN.......Then look at the picture of the bottles you see and what color is that oil?? Ok yes i know the labels here we go again...i'll post up a whole new picture of one of the bottles with the label but it's empty now so i'm sure you'll come back with well there's nothing in it so who knows right??? But what color do you see in those pictures....those were the bottles the day i got them....and what color are they?? Your fucking killing me bro....man oh man
Big D has now attempted to make this situation right since i first posted this fucking fiasco....So in his Defense he has since emailed me and offered to replace what i purchased but i have declined the offer....I wish he would have made that offer back in the beginning when i first reached out to him in private with this issue instead of his initial response...which prompted me to bring this shit out here in the open...it doesn't do any good to air shit like this out except when you feel like your being taken advantage of...So to BIG D - Thanks for the offer and like i said in my response thanks but no thanks...I don't want the free shit bro i just wanted you to know I thought there was something wrong with the Batch in the beginning...To your credit you now realize that there was no attempt by me to abuse your kindness or fuck you over in any way
Yeah your right bro i can't help it sometimes when people feel the need to stir the pot and talk shit when they don't have a clue what the fuck the facts are....Then you explain it to them and it's this or that...and i want to say that Big D has since reached out to me and offered to make it right....I wish he would have just taken that approach after our first couple of emails but he thought i was attempting to get something for nothing...I understand that......I also want to say that i declined his offer for the free gear...that was never my intention in the beginning and if i accept it than it looks like i just wanted it
U can always brew ur own. Save the favor I'm sure the sources don't need many. If u think ur doing them a favor why would u do a favor for a complete stranger. I don't do favors for strangers. That's just me. I'm a fucking asshole. So save the favor and brew ur own shit cuz it's got to be so easy that u call buying gear a favor for the source.
No bro i understand that completely but Big D was in the review section posting and saying that i was asking for free gear and shit or a refund...I never asked for anything like that so i had to respond because he was making me out to look like a troll and that wasn't the case....then i get stripped of my points which sucks but hey whatever
Yeah that looks like test or oil lol
never had any issues with his gear
Check out my pics very easy to tell which is the
Tren.
Well bro i like the way i was treated initially...quick response and everything and it came quick but it just wasn't any good...man oh man though it started a shit storm and now the mods stripped 10 rep points from me for sticking up for myself in the review section when Big D was logging in there and telling lies about what i said and didn't say...that's why i posted the email exchange for everyone to see because it's not like that i simply thought there was an issue but you can't question anyone i guess
ItsNoelThats what they do bro they pick favorites ............ in with you!
grrlll IS THE ONLY MOD here that will actually listen and has sense maybr Goth too but depends how you catch him.
Damn bro sounds like bullshit big d should send you new shit! Its crazy he'd respond like that.
Sry to hear this my man.
Talk to Frankie he's a real gentleman and is crazy smart about everything and is super humble!
Very nice to deal with.
No1Yea man, before he was big he was nice, now hes just cocky that hes getting good buisness and thinks hes the best
So since they deleted the email exchange between me and Big D from the review section i'll just post it here for everyone to see until they delete it from here and ban me...you can get banned from here if you give an honest review and tell the truth...the sponsors are allowed to respond with whatever lies they wish to tell but we are not allowed to tell it like it is....heres my initial email attempting to handle the issue in private and then his response:
4:49 PM (18 hours ago)
to bdpharma
Purchased 3 bottles of your tren and i have finished them and i wanted to tell you that i thought they were underdosed....I started at 1cc every other day then went to every day and eventually i was banging 1 1/5cc's Every day and never got any of the sides that are normal like heavy sweating, weird dreams or insomnia and i wasn't all that overly aggressive either..My strength levels didn't rocket up all that much...i got a little tighter but i wasn't impressed....to bad you have a good rep and i don't wanna log on to any of the review site's (like Eroids) and sound like a little bitch but i was wondering if anyone else had any complaints lately on the Tren?? Maybe something happened with that batch?? Not Sure bro
And here was his response to that email:
[email protected]
10:51 PM (12 hours ago)
to me
Bro what ever, sell that shit somewhere else.
So i'm not sure where i asked for free shit or for my money back but he's claiming i was trolling for free gear....Not true i just wanted to know if there could have been an issue but instead i get blasted out of the water and then i get silenced by the mods because BAD reviews are not allowed....
Show the labels if u could. The only label u show is optimal. Why didn't u show the label for bigD. Makes no sense why u have them turned so we can't see the labels
I'll take another pic for you and turn it around....i turned them around so you could see the color is the same in every bottle and it's awfully light...color doesn't mean a thing i know...it changes with oxidizing and it can vary from batch to batch but Tren smell is Tren smell it's un-mistakable and these didn't even have that
Anontren smell wtf. You cant tell tren from smell unless your a blood hound. I have 100% legit tren and there isnt a smell to it.
Frankiesorry but tren has almost zero smell in its raw form man .
Actually that's completely wrong. Tren is a certain color due to the color of the powder. It has nothing to do with smell or taste cuz solvents can be changed or increased due to pip. Tren is the last compound that brewers fake cuz if it isn't orange or rusty then u spot it a mile away. Test is faked cuz they're almost always the same color. Prop Enth n cyp all look similar. By you saying color has nothing to do with Tren shows me u have no clue what the hell ur talking about. That's one of the first things u should have learned in Tren kindergarten. if u want to show us the labels I would tend to believe that 100x more than anything u say especially after reading what u just wrote about Tren and color! It actually scares me to know that u would inject something in ur body before educating yourself to the fullest about a compound beforehand:-(
Well for starters bro i'm not a Home-brewer and i was told that the color is effected by heat and Oxidation and the guy who told me that was the one who brewed it himself - Big D - the color depends on Heat and Oxidation-- so perhaps he's wrong and you are correct?? Which is it?? You seem to know all there is about brewing methods and the prep of compounds....My 15 years of AAS usage must have been a complete fucking guessing game huh?? Surprised i made it from that 175lb kid to the current 275lbs i am now....maybe i should have consulted with you before blindly injecting myself all these years....Please go away your obviously another cheerleader for Big D the shit was weak end of story....
Fina has a smell for sure. Apparently raw powders don't
Raw powders smell like sweet taffy ;)
Lol, Sounds yummy! I had a friend ask me if it was ok if he just ate fina pellets. SMH
Still waiting for the labels. And tren powder is yellow mr 15yrs super AAS master. If ur so experienced why would u say something about Tren and taste. That's just retarded. Tren is about color. U can learn that in an hour with google And I'm not even running his gear but the test e right now. Time of use does not correlate education mr sharp tool. Educating urself is step one. I don't need to run AAS for 15 yrs to figure that out. Post the labels or disappear
Thats not an issue i'll post the labels and then what?? If your looking to give out a free blowjob afterwards i'm not interested....Maybe you can hook up with Tim Tebow he rolls that way......What the fuck does the color of the powder have to do with anything bro...i just explained it to you that the color of the finished product is dependent on the Heat and the Oxidation that occurs during the brewing process (which is what the Brewer says) what part of that do you not understand??...Bro the number of rep points next to your name there doesn't mean a fucking thing....and Tren has a distinct smell like no other Gear....You would know that if you had any experience with gear...other than this first cycle of test E you claim to be running.......Please bro your cracking me up.....Wow another Broad with nothing to do
Anonjeez dude ...blowjob? tasteless
The more u talk the more u prove ur a I'll informed no nothing. Now u quoting the source ur saying gave u bunk gear. U don't know a thing about Tren other u pay for it and say u inject it. Sorry Internet tough guy u lose. Here it's not about talking tough to win it's about brains. Which u clearly have none. And look up one of the baddest brewers in the entire game proved u wrong. Just quit posting already ur not doing. Yourself any favors. Put the shovel down bareback ur just diggin urself a hole u can't climb out of. And labels would prove that he sent u a vial labeled Tren that clearly looks like test. U expect everyone to believe u by ur word after u just talk and prove how little u know about gear after 15 supposed years of use.
Dp
Well i got all my rep points taken from me for posting the email exchange in the review section so now i can't respond to anything...that's how this board works i guess if you question the sponsor they are allowed to make up stories but you are not allowed to respond with the truth...what a board we have here
Brother you want good gear check out this source VIPANABOLICS they sell BIO-TECH gear wich is the best I have ever tried brother, you will be amazed!
Yeah you know i was going to give them a whirl but i wanted to try and keep it domestic if i could and limit the amount of international shit i order...It's unreal how offended people get when you give negative feedback...fuck sakes man excuse me for being honest i'll just say everything is great next time and avoid the trouble
I'm glad you posted this. Too many people on this board tend to be "fanboys" rather than give honest opinions. It's clear that you just wanted to resolve this issue in a professional manner. I'll never deal with Big D. Thanks for the review.
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Thank you bro and if you want to see his lies for yourself go to his review page and read the exchange from the beggining and see for yourself that he obviously got offended that i gave him an honest review and then made shit up...so i copied and pasted the emails from me to him for everyone to see i simply asked if there could have been an issue....
Yeah, I checked it out. I think you TRIED to handle it in a more than fair manner with him initially. Shit like that makes me mad. I mean, the issue could have been resolved without him being a dick about it. Glad you brought this to the board's attention.
Like you, I'm not even claiming that this gear is bunk. It could have been a simple mix up or a bad batch. To claim to never make a mistake is fucking crazy. Shit happens, you know...
Why isn't anyone asking to see the labels of the vials that say Tren??? Does nobody care if the labels are turned so we can't see them ? If I have an vial that has no label would u believe what I say is supposed to be in it? I'm no detective but show
The labels that say Tren and I'll believe the guy. Show me a vial with the label turned so I can't see it your asking me to believe a total fucking stranger just on his word alone. I wasn't born yesterday and I don't believe guys by their word. I need to see the labels first. Sounds like common sense right? Cuz it is common sense.
AnonThose look like test buddy. Maybe there was mix up in production. I bought two from him and they are dark yellow. I have a pic if u want to check it out. You should let him know and maybe hell hook you up. He's awesome like that.
Bro i asked him in my private email that i sent him if there could have been a mix up with the labeling or a problem with the batch....he told me to go fuck myself and that he couldn't be bothered...So that's why i posted the pics and the story he doesn't want to hear about it....It's a lousy fucking way to treat your clients but it is what it is and yes i would love to see the color of yours...pm me you email and i'll hit you up
So Big D responded to my negative review in his review section with lies he is accusing me of asking for free gear so i want to make it clear to everyone that at no time did i ask for my money back or anything for free...I emailed him and asked if anyone else had any issues...if anyone would like to read my email and his "Fuck off" Response to my inquiry than PM me and i'll forward our emails to you......It's a business and this is a review board is it not?? My review is that his tren is weak (or at least the batch i got was weak)...If you can't handle the honest review than whatever but let's not start making up stories here