+ 3 Total test on 500 mg per week test e only 994
How much Aromosin and what kind of diet change?...Plus how in the hell did my prolactin get so high on 500 mg test e? Caber on it's way as of now but dam I ain't running no Tren here....Plus my dam test level is at 994 off 4 weeks of test-e 500? I thought it be way the hell higher.
Been on TRT for 5 years. In the middle of my first cycle in about 2 years. I've run 8-10 cycles over the past 20 years. On a trest-e 500 I never really use AI just keep it on hand in case of sides. Well about 4 weeks and all of a sudden I can't get a dam erection (cialis on it's way) so I head and get the bloods. Someone advise on what I need to do to get it straight.
40 years old 6-1 194 lbs...No clue on body fat but yeah it's low.
4 weeks in at test-e 500 per week
AI on hand aromasin 25mg pharm grade
Caber is now in the mail after seeing this test
Nolva 20mg just in case
Clomid 50mg (just have it from old script from dr)
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I got so worried about crashing my estrogen that I almost went to eod. After reading this post and then doing follow up research I kept to 12.5 ed. Going to move it on up!
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/aromasin-you...
Quick update...feeling great. Work up with morning erection but I did take a 20mg cialias 5 pm the day before....but still though. Thank god that is progress. Bloods next week. Maybe Monday
Ok, so the test was taken on April 6th. On the 7th I started taking 12.5 aromosin ed for first five days and I'm now as of today on e2d at 12.5 Took .5 caber on April 10th. I'm taking a .5 caber on Friday April 14th and I'm going to go retest on Monday the 17th because I'm off that day and can go early in the morning. I think that by taking the test late in the afternoon and working out that day that it could have thrown some of the test off.
In summary.
I will be getting bloods done again on April 17th. When I pin on this Thursday that will make it 5 weeks on 500 mg. By time test is taken I will have taken 12.5 aromosin ed for 5 days and e2d for until Monday and and caber .5 2x. spaced out on last Monday and this Friday.
I'm feeling great at the moment. Body is dry, mood is good, gains in the gym are solid but still have erectile dysfunction but I'm noticing it getting slightly better. I will follow up on Tuesday once I receive my test results.
Thank you to everyone on their feedback. It is very much appreciated
RustyhookerIs it 3 weeks or 4? 994 is low but keep your tales right.
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Testosterone, Serum 994 348-1197 ng/dL
Yeah, after 3 weeks of 600mg test e per week this is what I have...994!!!!. I'll post the entire lab once I print and white my info but 994???? Come on
At the time of the test I had taken 3 injections of 500mg per week. My 4th injection taken the evening after my lab test. My 5th injection was taken on the 13th and my next would be tomorrow the 20th. Sorry about the typing wrong info. Don't like to use the vision as an excuse, I just need to take my time and scan over the words before I push enter.
That said the gear is good to go. My buddy is running it just fine. I switched bottle after my 4th injection which means I have only taken one injection off the new bottle. Obviously that one is good to go because my test shot up and unfortunantly my estrogen. The test posted here I took late afternoon and I worked out that morning which I found can throw off test. This test I did everything proper by fasting and taking test first thing in morning.
BOGSo are those bad numbers for 500mgs of test a week after four weeks????
No. They're awful numbers.
Terrible, if look at the reference range it's still within normal range. Using injectable testosterone we seek to increase that number by 5-10 times depending on the dose, we don't shoot exogenous test and shut our hpta down always risking not recovering it for our test levels to still be normal. These are def on the high end of normal though, but the rare of muscle gain would likely be just slightly higher then how this guy was progressing naturally, if not faster at all.
150mgs per week would put most people around 900 myself included. So if your pinning twice a week that test is likely somewhere between 60 and 90mg/ml, could be as low as 50 even we all test defirently and I've seen some guys test close to 1500 on 150mgs ew. Should be anywhere from 2500-4000 on that dose. 3000 seems to be the average from all the blood work I've seen over the years. As for the aromasjn I'd use a Low dose 6.25mgs ed should get you below 40. Or 12.5 eod if you can't quarter the pills. Prolactin is just a little out of range so it should follow if you lower your estro. But a few small doses of caber won't hurt.
500mg without an ai seems pretty careless. Take half a aromasin e2d should definitely be enough
Just started today....12.5mg e2d sound about correct?....I've got caber on it's way. Never used it because never had an issue with prolactin. The dosage recommendations are all over the board when researching. What would you recommend?
RustyhookerNizzen is full of shit. Estro is estro. Prolactin is prolactin.
You on tren, deca or npp?
Like he said he's just on Test. If you get your prolactin and estro in range you can cut the fucking caber which has also plenty of bad side effects and your prolactin won't raise again, that's your bro science here
Well with aromasin u need to be careful as its the only medication that really destroys free estro. Maybe even 12.5 e3d is enough and just if your levels are still elevated after 10 days go up to every 2 days. I'd take 20 mg ob nolva and then maybe 10 mg for the next 3 days. That should get estro down right away. I personally use arimidex as an ai and aromasin just for pct or in a really heavy test cycle (which i haven't so far). Caber u also just need very little. Maybe 0.5mg and then 0.25mg e4d for 2 weeks. As soon as our estro levels are ok u can drop that again although caber has nice side effects.
Nolva doesn't lower estrogen AT ALL. It blocks it at a couple receptors and acts as estrogen at some others. Hence the name "selective estrogen receptor modulator" and not "estrogen killer".
And aromasin doesn't destroy free estro, it binds to the aromatise enzymes so that test can't convert to estro. Hence "aromatise inhibitor".
As far as dosage. We're all different. I personally need 25mg/day of pharma aro when I go over 500mg/week. Others need 12.5 ed, others need 12.5 eod, some need none at all.
I appreciate you trying to help, but You have to know what these medications do if you're going to give advice about them.
I need 25mg as well. I went and retested and my test shot up but so did my estroidial. Starting 25 mg ed then retesting. Hell I might just jump off this cycle and go back to trt until this estrogen is under control.
lol well it's good to hear your test shot up. 3 weeks is a little early but I was surprised they were that low at any rate. Acceptable numbers now?.
If you're jumping off just be careful with the aro and don't get overzealous with it. If you know from previous experience that you're like me with dosage though, 25 should get it under control within a week or so if you stay on. Assuming aro's affects on us are similar, of course. 25 would crash some of the others.
I wish i was a 12.5 eod or even 12.5 ed guy. It would save me like $100 a cycle lol.
I've read so much about crashing your estrogen that I was like no way that going to happen to me. I've read some good write ups based on research posted on the boards that most people underdose their aromosin. I would concur that this rings true for me.
I think perhaps the first bottle I was using could have been underdosed but there is zero doubt that it's good to go with the new bottle. My buddy who is on the same gear as part of the same order had greater than 1500 but he is smarter than me and is running an AI from the get go so his e2 is right in line.
I know what nolva does and that it does not lower your estro. I told him to take nolva at the very moment to make the body not using that free estrogen there is. What you described afterwards is the effect of an ai like Anastrozol, aromsin doesn't work the same way! And last, of course you can't say u just need 12.5mg e2d and it will be that way for everybody, but in my experience a low estrogen state is worse than having a lil to much. Of course depending on your goal
I dig. I must have misunderstood you, boss. I though you were sayin nolva lowers estro and aromasin directly attacks free estro. If I misread, that's on me. Thanks for clearing that up.
But aromasin does work the same as anastrozol in that it is an aromatise inhibitor. You are horrifically wrong if you're claiming aromasin is not an AI. The only difference is that aro doesn't let go of the enzyme. It's a type 2 "suicide" inhibitor. Where anastozole is type 1 and lets go after it's Life has run out. If you can direct me to anything saying that aromasin doesn't work how I explained above I'd love to read it.
All cool. No I'm aware that aromasin is an ai just ment that it works differently than the normal ai (type 1). U obviously know more than I do what chemical process
they trigger. So thanks for explaining
All good. Sorry about the misunderstanding. Definitely not trying to discourage u from pitching in.
RustyhookerAromasin works for 3 hours and done. So you're thinking adex?
Nolva smashes your igf which is UBER anabolic. Any more bro science you got?
im not even gonna take the time to explain to you why eod dosing or even e3d dosing with aromasin is perfectly fine. Would take to much time out of my saturday morning.. But the biggest decrease in estrogen is seen hours after the half life is up, which is 8-9hrs, hmm 9hr halflife but the biggest decrease in estrogen occurs around 12-13hrs after the dose? Weird right. One day when i feel like doing a right up on it i will.
And nolva is perfectly fine to take on cycle, the igf-1 decrease is marginal, and igf-1 doesnt do all that much, believe me ive run gh for a long time. So a slight or even moderate decrase in it isnt gonna effect gains much. One of the top prep coaches in the world he used to be a consultant for phil heath, he setup my prep cycle and it started with a bulk, 10-20mgs of nolva ed was part of the protocol all the way until show day. along with 50mgs of proviron, adex wasnt introduced until very late in the prep. This guy is also italians coach and you see how good he looked when he won the contra costa, he was taking nolva the entire time. adex and letro also lower igf-1 like nolva, only one that doesnt is aromasin, adex is the most popular drug out their for estrogen control.
you gotta stop jumping down peoples throat, theres no need for it. I just followed your lead. I could have gone about a totally different way, the way I normally would unless someone is giving out dangerous advice and say hey rusty, I know it seems like this is bad advice and aromasin is a bad fit because the halflife is short, but taking half life into account isnt quite as important as with other drugs, And then i could have said you know I used to feel the same way about nolva, dumb idea on cycle and ai is much more appropriate and it lowers igf-1 but after further research blah blah blah and be nice and respectful about it but youve been doing this multiple times a day for god knows how long and it needs to stop im so sick of you disrespecting people for no reason. . just chill man, theres like 4 people left on this site i actually reconize and new guys are trying to get involved like we once did and the core guys back then didnt pounce on me or any of the other new guys back then they were respectful and helped build us up as idk if you remember but posting for some can actually be very idk worrying at first because they dont wanna say something wrong and have someone jump on them and attempt to publlicly humiliate them. Just read back on your posts and try to tell me you were even the least bit respectful and didnt try to shit all over him. Thats all, this needs to stop or were never gonna have a new group of members helping the site cause you keep disrespecting them and they leave becuase of that or they just figure I dont want to try to become part of a community where people treat each other like this.
I truly believe most people over use AI's a lot of cycles it isn't needed
Even though the halflife of aro is 8 hours, it makes perfect sense that the greatest decrease in test happens after that because it doesn't let go of the enzyme so the effects last as long as the enzymes it attaches to. And the estrogen that was there before the aro was taken hangs around until it runs its course.
That being said, my bloodwork has shown a more stable level over the long run when I take smaller doses twice a day. When I need a dose too small to get the pill down to (i.e. 6.25) and can't take twice a day, I still make sure I take it ed for this reason. I played with getting tests done at different times of day at different frequencies and found that I'm personally best of taking 12.5 or 6.25 twice a day when I need 25 or 12.5 ed respectively, or 6.25 once a day when I need only 6.25 ed.
I've gone as far as weighing the pill and chopping it up into tiny pieces and weighing out a quarter of the pills total weight to make sure my dosing is accurately at 6.25mgs, just to make sure I'm doing my best at dosing the same amount at the same times to have my levels be as stable as humanly possible. I'm also a little OCD so that may have something to do with it.
You have a scale that sensitive?
Digi will weigh to thousandths...unless he's breaking out an old triple beam lol
I've used them in labs plenty of times but never heard of having a scale that sensitive for home use.
Digi. Weighs up to the .000g. $30 on Amazon baby. It's for "gemstones"
Plenty of hidden gems on eroids, so technically…
Thanks man I appreciate it. I'm actually pretty cautious with giving advise just due to the fact that I'm just in the scene for a couple of years but I do lots of research and thought I haven't said anything wrong nor dangerous. And my claim that elevated prolactin has something to do with the other hormonal disbalance lays on the hand because he is just taking testosterone. There is plenty of scientific literature concerning the correlation of estro and prolactin ( mostly with women but that doesnt mean it doesn't apply to men taking aas)
Most of us air on the side of caution when giving advice for this kinda stuff due to the adverse effects these drugs can have. You're advice wasn't dangerous and it was correct. You about 1 in idk 500, I'd say atleast 50 this month this guy has done this exact thing to jumped down someone's throat, in this case in many others he was completely wrong to, other times instead of politely correctly someone he does the same shit and jumps down their throat. Just yesterday he negged a guy who again had the correct answer, the most anabolic or anti catabolic steroid, the guy said tren and that's correct but rusty thought it was anavar because on paper based on invtro studies they came up with a 300-600 anabolic rating for anavar and just 500 for tren. So fuck man for decades and decades we've been doing it wrong, not only is var more anabolic and will add more muscle then dbol its more anabolic then deca so this true and tried test deca dbol stack is not arguably the best combo for adding muscle. Fuck test is only rated at 100 so anavar is 6 times more anabolic then test wtf have we been doing for the last few decades running test when we could be running something that's 6 times more anabolic which means 6 times the gains. Or dbol, arguably the best bulking oral, not water but the actual tissue you retain after the water drops if you use it right, it's anabolic rating is only like 130, so var should blow it away but idk man I've ran var and I've ran test and I've ran test deca dbol and var doesn't really add much muscle to anyone unless a steroid newb with virgin receptors, it's more cosmetic if bf is low enough nobody would call it a mass builder. And test or dbol would still add more dry lean tissue to the steroid virgin then var despite being 6 times less anabolic. Weird right? Or shit halotestin, 1800 anabolic rating 18 times more anabolic then test almost 4 times more anabolic then tren, about 17 times more then deca, gains must be fucking insane 1 cycle and you'd probably have pro bodybuilder size, except anyone who's ran it knows it doesn't add shit for muscle just strength that most of which goes away after discontinuing it.
Thank god read that, free valuable knowledge to help me reach my goals. shit I had one of the most knowleable coaches on the planet set up my prep, I got sick 3 weeks in so I didn't get to compete but my friend went half with me on the cost of him as it was pricey saw it through and the transformation was insane I mean fucking crazy I had the pics on my old phone or I'd post them it was one of the best 4 month transformations I've ever seen. Most people would be siked for this kinda process in a year or two. I could probably still get in contact with him and get the pics if I tried. and guess what the drug portion was stating with the bulk? It wasn't test halo anavar like rusty would suggest based off paper in studies done in Petri dishes, it was test and deca. And then the cut was test tren. Paid all that money to be lied to, guy that used to be a consultant to Phil Heath 5 time Mr. O. Doesn't even know his shit or he's keeping the true secrets for his pro clients . I'm gonna call him and ask why he didn't tell me the secrets, he tells us test deca for puré anabolism and test tren for pure anti catabolism and not anavar for everything. Guess this is the secrets only the pros and rusty know about and they wanna keep it that way by teling us to use tren, deca and we're idiots to have listened if we just did a little research we would have seen that anavar is more anabolic then tren and almost 5 times as anabolic then argubly the best anabolic out there, deca. and don't even get me started on halotestin I see the scare tactics have been purely to keep us from using it and realizing it's 18 times more anabolic then test and the key to becoming a mass monster.
Inb4 the food is the most anabolic drug out there. Let's get one thing cleared up first foods not a drug. Ya I know you and rusty and some karma whorez have realized the first one to say it is guaranteed way to get some karma, but If someone's asking whats the more anabolic drug for bulking deca or eq don't say fucking food food is not a drug. I'm yet to see a question stating what's the most anabolic substance for bulking in which case food would be right but I'm yet to see that question therefore everyone who's answered with that has been wrong. 99% of steroid or natural lifters know food is key, it doesn't need to be said, the problem is most don't have the disciple to follow a bodybuilding type diet day in and day out week after week month after month. it's the hardest part no doubt but basically everyone knows it.
What the fuck?? 20 mg nolva once and 10mg for 3 days smashes your igf?? Sure mate, that's why there are pros just using nolva without adex fuck boy. And yes high prolactin is associated with estro, no fucking pro science all my Infos are from my Endo but sure you being rude as fuck sympathies you. Maybe you should look up more than just steroid,com and actually talk to professionalists
Ya, every pro or monster I've talked to doesn't use ais unless coming up to a show. some use nothing and just add nolva If they feel gyno coming on, others use it all cycle, others use other steroids to control estro. I'm sure there's some but I can't recall, the guys with the most impressive physiques on here I've talked to use one of those three methods and the ones I've talked to in real life, no ai. Many still don't realize the importance of estrogen they keep it to low or crash it get shitty results on cycle and think gear is the problem so they up that.
AI's deal with estrogen
Caber deals with prolactin
That's not bro science...that's real science.
As a chemist by trade I can tell you with out a doubt most endo's know little to nothing about gear. So do not rely on one of them for steroid 'facts'. I have educated three endo's now and they all researched my information afterwards and all agreed that I was correct and they were wrong.
I never said that ai deal with something different or caber does. I said there is a correlation between high estrogen and high prolactin. I wouldn't ask a Endo about gear specifically but they know about the hormones in the body and what the medications do to your body that they regularly prescribe... I'm pretty sure you don't need to educate a competent Endo about these things...
the real question is...why do you have an endo at 25?
endo...smells like outdo...
He is a friend of my father. And a bb himself
I think prolactin elevates together with Estro. U just need an ai. of course now with prolactin high already you might use caber. But still 15 is not crazy high.