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+ 7 Test and IGF-1 levels

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I couldn’t tell what method of test my TRT doctor uses for test and estrogen based on the reference ranges, but I assume it’s the cheapest ECLIA method, so I wanted to see what my levels would look like using ECLIA after adding 100mg of NPP ew. Safe to assume it cross detected the nandrolone as testosterone. I’m on 150mg test cyp ew and that consistently usually puts me around 700-900ng/dl. >1500 makes sense on a combined dose of 250mg, 150mg test /100mg nandrolone. So I’ll just have to drop the NPP 10-14 days before my next TRT blood test.

The IGF-1 levels are interesting. This is from 3ius of Omnitrope. I was running goldtrope for a while and really loved the results but started getting some jaw pain and thought it might have something to do with the GH. So I switched back over to pharm grade omnitrope and lowered my dose to 3ius ed. Jaw pain did not go away unfortunately. So the GT was not the problem. Been on these Omnis about a month now. But anyways last time I tested on these Omnis my IGF-1 was 425 on 4ius Ed, split 2iu am 2iu pm. I went to taking it all at night a few months ago so now I’m higher on 3ius ed all taken before bed? I’ve never been this high on 3ius ed. These are pretty insane results so I’m pretty stoked about that. Im thinking I might have not waited long enough when I tested these last time at 4iu ed. I think I did that around the 10 day mark and the little real data we have on this says igf-1 peaks and stabilizes around the 7 day mark. But maybe not. I might have to go back up to 4ius Ed and test again. I’m getting 162ng/ml of elevation per 1iu so If that trend continues on 4ius ed I’d be around 650ng/ml. But this probably why my jaw still hurts lol. My IGF-1 levels are still sky high. Transformation to the chiseled giga chad jawline is underway lol. Or it has nothing to do with GH and I have another problem going on. Regardless I’m going to drop to 2iu Ed and see if that helps.

Pretty happy with my cholesterol levels. I eat almost exclusively beef and pork, really can’t stand chicken unless it’s breaded. And I probably more high glycemic carbs than I should. So things look really good regardless but especially with my diet. I’m on a low dose Accoutane too which is not great for lipids. I take 20mg policansol, 100mg of coq10 and 1200mg of red yeast rice a day. I have was at 2400mg Ed but wanted to see how things look at 1/2 the dose. I’d say it’s still working good at this dose. For anyone blasting on drugs that affect lipids it’s worth going up to 2400mg Ed of the RYR,

Glucose was looking good at 78 which was down from 82 last time. In both cases I had eaten 3 high carb meals before. I Always get bloodwork at 1pm, right after labcorp reopens after lunch so I don’t have to wait in line lol. So I think it’s safe to say to say I’m not having any issues with insulin sensitivity even with these high igf-1 levels. Taking it all before bed is key.

Estradiol was 102. Im always in the high 30s on 150mg ew. No Ai. I was 39 on my last TRT labs 6 weeks ago prior to adding NPP. Tren will cause false positives with non sensitive estrogen tests which is what this test was. Nandrolone is very similar structurally so I assume it’s the same issue. But at the same time atleast with tren it’s usually unbelievably high, 500+ or something. 102 is not that high comparatively. But I have to assume it’s a false positive. I have zero signs of high estrogen. Next time I’ll get the sensitive test and confirm.

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The CTS is brutal dude. I do a lot of tinkering in my shop working on equipment, trucks, building stuff and it was becoming unbearable to hold a wrench. I get basically zero CTS on pharm grade GH. But it was pretty bad on the generics I was running. But the positive benefits on the generics were right in line with pharma.

There is a surgery you can get on your hands for the CTS.

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Are you a welder? I’d assume so based on your username. I was fabricating a bucket for my excavator last week and even holding the stinger burning in some long runs of 7018 was hurting my hands. Holding the grinder for long periods of time sucks too. But neither are quite as bad as turning wrenches and holding thin ratchets and shit. Glad I don’t do this shit for a living. But I like doing it so I don’t want fuck my hands up. I’ve lowered my dose some and it seems better.

PumpThoseDelts's picture

Excellent bro, imho your igf-1 this time is higher because you tested it after using it for months, for example my igf-1 with 4 iu is 400/500 as we said many times, but after months it increases to 600

Gotem69's picture

Sweet numbers for 3ius bro!

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irongame427's picture

Definitely bro. I was expecting 300ish.

Petecastiglione's picture

Yea that’s why people need to learn to run test and control their estrogen properly before adding in tren. They’ll see this and nuke their estro not knowing tren does this. Definitely false reading if ur on trt dosage and usually in that range. Also maybe ur transforming into full gigachad with jaw pain

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Definitely. You have to know how you respond to test before adding anything else, especially tren. Best to avoid that stuff all together though, unless maybe you’re competing.

Nandrolone does convert to estrogen but at much lower level than testosterone. So i wouldn’t have been surprised if my estrogen was a little higher than normal, but not from 39 to 102 from just 100mg of NPP. Maybe 39 to 50. So this must be atleast partial false positive