posted Sun, 06/15/2014 - 12:51
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+ 8 Swole's Anavar 50 Customer's independent test results
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Sent a blind sample of Swole's Anavar 50 mg to Angus for testing. After all the talk I've heard about under dosed Orals and fake Anavar I got paranoid. Also, not knowing Swole from Adam I had no idea if the test results he posted were valid. After all a bad source could have great raws and still make under dosed gear.
I am really happy to see that Swole's finished product tested perfect! The only downside is he will be even busier and even more people will get in the way when I need to order.
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that is good to know. so the soft crumbly tabs that everyone hates come back at a higher purity lol.
angusSad but true. I need to change how these tests are run on the finished orals. While it is cheaper to run them on the HPLC machine, that will only give dosage so then we would need to run it on the Q-TOF machine to determine purity after the HPLC separated it. The unfortunate thing about that is that it would double the costs and the whole premise of this gig is to keep testing affordable for the average person. But I need to figure something else out because this process is not predictable. When we test oil we have the ability to omit the oil, BA, and BB from the results. We wouldn't consider them impurities. Unfortunately we don't have 2 or three things that go into an oral that we can omit. it is difficult to determine what is supposed to be there and what isn't.
we appreciate all the hard work you do around here. it would be a completely different site if you weren't around.
50.00000000001mg per tab. That's the dose.
Best var ive ever ran or my wife,better yet my whole team bro.Keep delivering that Swole shit
I say he's número uno for reason. Everything I've ever taken of his was bad-o so st6 baby
Tab sample is 307.22 and purity is 16%. 307.22 x .16 = 49.15. It's spot on. The 16 per cent is probably 16.something so is probably closer to 50 mg and says so in the summary.
Well then sound like the Var is badass then exactly where it's supposed to be looking forward to getting my promo pack and eating them little MF!!!
RustyhookerDamn that's good!
Come on man. EXP tag, you should know better, read below =/
Rustyhookerhttp://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=5878
The molecular weight yes. But you're not even correct on your statements of argument. There's fillers etc. Just like Tylenol. Big tablet with a small amount of acetaminophen.
So a 300Mg total weight tab(binder/filler/hormone) with 16% purity is
300x 0.16%=48.
So if tablet with all its components is 48Mg of actual anavar.....Im buying.
Take that into reality when Angus pretested the raws at near 100% purity
Also one more thing, Swole just posted tablet is about 200mgs. With 50mg to 62mg Anavar.
By your logic, purity is 16% x 200mg?
Quote me EXACTLY where I'm wrong. Who said fillers and binders don't exist dude! I only objected to his maths! And all you veterans applauded a Karma 1 member for posting erroneous info.
The number was molecular weight of Anavar. Not weight of tab. That was my WHOLE point. And I was very clear.
So again, please quote the wrong statemens, I'll be waiting brother.
RustyhookerI cited the molecular weight of anavar.
If the tabs are shit and garbage then flat out call them shit or garbage.
We're waiting.....
angusYes, the Raws tested excellent.
My only question is where does the 300 come from in your equation? Is that what the weight of the tab is?
RustyhookerIt's an example to empee. He's stuck on the molecular weight, so i cited the molecular weight.
Whats not shown as far as i saw was the true Mg of the entire tablet. When we buy any over the counter drug, most of that tablet/capsule is filler.
Example is clenbuterol. A dose of clenbuterol is 0.020Mg 20mcg, yet the pill is BIG. All filler/binder.
Same runaround with purity last week on perfzewis pills. Same things left out. Binder and fillers. So either the entire test is universally flawed or more info is needed. From what I've seen for all these tests, this is a more info needed example
You can't read a lab test that's cool, but you can't even read my posts correctly??
I replied to the guy because he USED the molecular weight in the lab test AS THE TAB WEIGHT. So it's a bullshit equation. That is everything. Where am I stuck? Show me.
You replied 'Damn, that's good!' on wrong info. So did others. And now you stand corrected because we all learn something new everyday.
If you still think I have wrong statements in my 'argument', I"ll be waiting brother
Rustyhookerhttp://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/summary/summary.cgi?cid=5878
So your saying the var is shitty??
lol chem classes. you do retain a little knowledge if you perform decently well in the class. lol
good eye I had to check through all the pics to find the mass
Thanks kk. In all fairness though I was a chem major after the Marines, so I'm used to reading lab tests.
angusStill needs some work. Nowhere in the lab does it define the total weight of the tablet.
You serious? 307.22 is the Molecular Weight of Oxandrolone... I have no idea what you just wrote.
With orals, focus on raws testing guys, not the finished product. I think a source that delivers oils with 90%+ purity, is capable of using a weight scale and producing top notch tabs as well.
i think he meant its the weight of the tab taht was swnt in to be sampled
Where is that stated?
On the third page. And what he is saying is that the var is dosed accurately. It is basically 50 mg of var per a tab
Dude please, focus. 307.22 has nothing to do with the weight of the tab. m/z is the mass to charge ratio. It is equivalent to Daltons in this case (atomic mass) and molecular weight too (g/mol). Can't wait for Angus to show up amd prove you all wrong. Else I'll have to apologize. We'll see.
You could be right, it's been awhile. I thought m/z was total mass of tested object. I thought of atomic mass at first but found oxandrolone to be 306.44. (I googled that lol) Regardless the final summary page clearly states the result as 50 mg oxandrolone for the sample provided by wheels.
angusHe is correct, the 307 is the atomic weight of the Anavar. The ionization process adds an extra hydrogen to the compound and is listed in the chromatograph as M+1 for that very reason. Under the elemental composition report you will see the compound is compared to a perfect specimen and the weight is evaluated and all possible combinations are considered for the analysis that it is, indeed, the target compound. So, I mean no disrespect but if you knew how to read these you would understand about the extra hydrogen being added as well as what the chromatograph showing the molecular weight of the analyte and all other major impurities in the specimen. Perhaps it has been a very long time and you have forgotten but if that was the case then I would think that a bit of refresher is more prudent that posting erroneous information.
Yeah, it's been since 94, so a little rusty and I hastily interpreted it. Point taken on posting, I'll accept that as my mistake.
angusyou have my respect for that.
I'm not discussing whether the tab has 50mg Anavar or not. I hope it does of course for the sake of everyone.
But I can't look at wrong calculations and stay silent. That is all.
It's all good
so what your saying is these tabs are under dosed?
What I'm saying is that what that guy posted (the maths) has NOTHING to do with the tab being overdosed or underdosed. He just put some numbers together like a puzzle.
The raws tested well. Whether you trust SwoleOil to accurately dose the tabs is up to you. From what I've seen from his oils, I don't think there's a reason to doubt the guy.
I didn't have it tested because I doubted him. In fact I had every reason to trust him. I asked him to brew me a large, expensive order, but he refused to do so until his lab tests on his raws came back. Only an honest SRC would risk losing a large sale just to wait and make sure he made it perfect.
I just decided recently to have EVERYTHING I buy tested. I've tried enough different AAS to know which ones I like so when I find what I believe is a good supplier, I will have it tested, then do a massive order and test again.
It's funny we spend money on blood tests, but most of us won't splurge and have the product tested. Maybe there are guys who can tell if a triple blend really contains all three products and is dosed correctly, but I can't.
This is the first time I had an oral tested. Looks like we might all learn from this. If mass spec doesn't work for finished orals, I will try to find a test that does.
My motto is: "Trust, but verify."
Glad to hear brother.
Luckily, everything I need I can find in pharmacies. So I don't have to doubt or test anything.
Ok, now I'm really jealous. I get 1 ml pharma grade ea two weeks for my TRT. I save it up and blast it just to see how 750 ml of pure test is supposed to feel.
Oops. Bayer (formerly Schering) Testoviron is the only test I have ever pinned. 250mg/ml 1 clear amp german made straight from the pharmacy here. Organon Sustanon straight from Holland too. Plenty here, come visit!! No anavar though, bring Swole's with you
No ANAVAR eh? Hmmmmmmmm......ANAVAR for some hummus maybe.
1 cup of my mommas hummus for 10 Anavar tablets.
Sounds like I'm getting the better end of the deal. Nothing beats good ole mommas cookin.
i see. I wasnt following you. There was an equation similar to this used. If you know the weight of the tab you can find out what it is. It is in other mass specs I will find it
It's on third page of report on the bottom, left-hand side
No finished tabs mass was 307.22 mg, thus if it is 16 per cent pure it contains 50mg of oxandrolone
Where is that written?
This seems like a good explanation. The math works and has to be adjusted for the filler and binders in the tablet. Good work.
I didn't say anything when elite and yokeds tabs got test and everybody lost there minds when in reality the testing's interpretation was all over the place. These are all the Anavar raws tested for the past few months of product.
Anavar batch # 1 100% at 2 different labs
Anavar batch # 2 100% at 2 different labs
Anavar batch # 3 90%
Anavar batch # 4 86%
Raws are sent in every week to every other week at 500.00 a pop in testing fees. I know how to use a scale and I put 50mgs per tab in the mix for every batch of tabs and prorate for percentages. I don't have a grunt in a shack somewhere making my tabs. I make them. There is 50mgs in each tab. Not knocking mass specs but mass specs on done tablets have been all over the place. There are color additives and blended binders involved in a done tablet. I don't believe all that gets reverse factored in. No protein powder filled capsules or liquid orals in 151 rum here.
angusYou are correct. There are many factors that contribute to the purity rating of an oral and I am leaning towards not even giving a purity anymore. I'm thinking just a "yes it's present" or no it's not.
The variations that we have seen in the oral tablets are many and it seems to depend on the density of the tablet. Swoleoil tabs are pressed with incredible force and are very dense, getting the analyte to separate from the fillers and binders is a process in and of itself that is just one aspect of the difficulty. I will talk it over with the Dr and try to come up with a better process for determining value of these tabs. If we have to run it through the HPLC Column then we will do just that and that will tell us exactly how much is in it, but won't give a purity.
I think the weight of the pill is needed to figure the correct dosage and purity. 20mg was tested. The pill weight should b 50mg var + binders and fillers....