MEMBER failed to provide proof of purchase and labs cannot be confirmed. Not to mention mass specs are under investigation for being inaccurate.

Nitti, I received your PM 20 minutes or so ago. I seem unable to respond to it, so sent you a FR.

I should probably wait until I am less pissed to respond but don't have that much self control.

I have no problem with the disclaimer regarding the fact that the accuracy of mass specs are under investigation for being inaccurate---if they appear at the top of ALL mass specs done by Angus, not just this single one.

I have no problem with verifying purchase proof. I was never asked by a Mod to provide that. Only Karl, whom I do not trust with discovering my personal information. It is, however very interesting that I can find no one else, myself included, who has ever been asked to provide proof of purchase when posting results. Especially since I posted a very clear photo of the package and pill with the lab report, and gave him lot numbers off the package, which i believe already proves purchase as much as it can ever be proven without giving Karl my personal information.

The community allows and encourages SRCs to post labs, yet there is no disclaimer in red letters that these reports are completely suspect since the source themselves posted them, or Angus posted them on their behalf and we have absolutely no way to verify if they are even real, or if they really represent the products they sell. All these lab reports are not "confirmed."

It is also, IMHO outright silly to think that proving purchase will in any way satisfy or end Karl's attack. Even after I prove purchase, how could I possibly prove that what I sent in for testing was really what I bought? Frankly if you cannot believe I really bought it without proving it, I would hope you would also be cynical enough to believe I was just as likely to have sent in a fake sample, which cannot be proven. To me proving purchase does nothing to add or take away confidence that it was really his product I had tested.

There needs to be a balance of trust and cynicism when it comes to every report, review, etc posted here. I only ask that just because Karl is so relentless in his attack that this one report not be singled out for "special treatment."

In closing, Karl continues to say he cant do an investigation without information from me. Frankly that is just more irresponsible bullshit. If I was an SRC and got this information I would at the very least pull some random samples from my finished products and get them tested. I would immediately check my brewing operation to see if my cooks were diluting and stealing my product and moonlighting or selling it on Ebay. I would do undercover buys from my "remailers" to see if they were stealing or substituting products. I would immediately check every proviron raw in inventory, and I would report what I was doing and the results to the Eroids community. I have heard him do nothing but blame me.

Edited to add:

I did not discard the remainder of this product and have quite a few left. If anyone can suggest a way to get an unbiased second analysis done, I am more than willing to send a sample and pay for the testing.

I posted what I sincerely believed to be an accurate analysis of what was in the tablet. My subjective experience when I used this product matched the report-- I did not get the positive responses I get from good proviron.

If I can get a second unbiased opinion that shows it is indeed a good product I will be more than willing to admit I was wrong.

The one missing element in all Karl's accusations is motive. Why the hell would I bother attacking him or try to damage his reputation? He is just not that goddamned important.

My motive for posting this was simple. Clomid can be dangerous, especially if you don't know you are taking it. For me to contact the SRC privately so he could make it right with me still leaves the rest of the community at risk. What kind of a selfish shithead would say: "OK, I got my refund, fuck everyone else."

Maybe not a selfish shithead. Maybe just someone who went through this bullshit and decided to say to hell with it.

Good god, I just wrote a long response to this idiot. Luckily I came to my senses and deleted it instead of sending it.

I'm just going to spit out the hook and swim off now.

I'm not going to participate in a charade of an investigation into "what went wrong." If you can't even trace your own lot numbers back to your manufacturing process and back to the exact raw materials that went into each lot, then you can determine nothing about what may have "gone wrong."

I did not contact you privately and attempt to resolve the problem because I believe the product was made this way intentionally, or if not intentionally, then with such gross negligence that the entire community should be made aware of it. Also I don't give a damn about a refund--I'd rather the Eroids community had this information to keep themselves safe.

If the product was pure clomid then one might give you the benefit of the doubt that a worker inadvertently mixed up the pills or labels.

If the product was mostly proviron, (the more expensive chemical) with a small amount of cheaper clomid mixed in then one might give you the benefit of the doubt that there was maybe some unintentional cross contamination. Still negligent but at least understandable.

But this pill contained only enough provirom to show the product was present. Yet there was enough clomid present to be very noticible to the user. Coincidence? I think not.

It is, in my estimation, very simple to determine "what went wrong." You got caught because someone tested your fake product. The solution is equally simple: STOP MAKING FAKE SHIT.

Yeah. Switched from a pharma brand to this and libido plummeted. Discontinued it and felt better. That's why this was one of the products I sent in for testing.

I included the lot number which, hopefully, will allow you to sort it out on your end.

Providing the order number would show my shipping address. I do not know you and have no reason to either trust or mistrust you. However I would rather remain anonymous.

I would also rather keep our conversations open for all to see.