Sorry for bumping a not so fresh thread but wanted to ask for your opinion guys.
I've had 100% clear Trest E that worked just as expected (once only) then only brown-ish oils from other labs.
The difference is way too obvious. Anyone happens to know what the raw powder's color is supposed to be?
I doubt just the carrier oil can turn a totally clear compound in a dark brown one...
The main thing I would advise is to have some BP meds on hand mate, this stuff instantly shoots mine up even on just 25mg per day. I almost get an instant headache from it! Now if you are attempting to run it alongside Adrol too - You are defo gonna need those BP meds! Thats really the only struggle I have had with it bud.
Definitely not adding the adrol with the ment. I will be doing low test 275 a week, 50 mg ment per week , and Proviron 25 mg a day. The BP on ment is that a temporary spike or is it the whole length of cycle?
Makwa I can see you love your ment lmao. At this protocol you mentioned, has it been the most effective for you so far compared to the other times ? Also, What would you advise in terms of injection schedule? Would twice a week be fine?
I think you could actually get away with zero test when using ment. The whole purpose of test as a base to provide estro. Ment takes care of that. Ment is basically test on tren. Just to be safe though I run a very low dose of test. I am going to try just a ment base soon with no test though. I think deca is going to go the way of the dinosaur with ment on the scene. Kind of like comparing some OTC sups from GNC to real steroids in terms of anabolism. Ment blows deca out of the water. Lubing the joints, maybe deca has some utility but using it for anabolism, I wouldn't bother anymore. Ment is so much stronger and a hell of a lot quicker too.
My plan was to use test and ment for 4 weeks then switch to test and deca. For two months for that good summer look. I’m going to get bloodwork done to check what it does. Of it messes me up too much I’ll give the ment up for good.
It seems to peak initially just after the injection, but then remains elevated for as long as you are on it. Just have some telmisartan ready bro. That is low Test that you are running it with though so you may find you are fine.
I’m starting to feel like the only guy who hasn’t tried Ment. I’m tempted, but the possibility of erectile dysfunction turns me off. Like what the sense of looking good if I can’t fuck, LOL. Is it just a myth?
I recently tried a short run of MENT again, but honestly didn't get much from it. I know on paper its an absolute menace, but in the real world trenbolone feels so much more effective.
Yeah, the Dbol blew me up without bloating, and the NPP seems to be keeping me there. The Deca might be kicking in as well because I’m at 8 weeks of 300mg per week. Everything is going a little too smooth to be true. If things keep up this way, NPP may be my new favorite compound. I still love Winstrol, but have no desire to be small again.
To me winny is just gambling with death, that stuff can end your lifting career in an instant bud and nothing at all is worth risking that for. Sure it may shred you up, but is that really the ideal condition to be in when lifting weights? Think about what really is going on - less water in the body meaning muscles are drier and cannot operate optimally, drier more brittle tendons that are already becoming less elastic & stretchy as we are getting older? You know it makes sense to drop it and never look back
No way, I love that shit, LOL! Although, let’s see. It really helped me lean up, so maybe as long as I keep my diet clean, the fat won’t come back, and I won’t see a purpose for it anymore
LMFAO!!! I can already see it 3 months down the line from now ..... You are laid up with a Grade 2 rotator cuff tear & having to wait another 2 weeks to go in for surgery. After that its gonna be 6 months to a year before you can lift full force again, and you are saying 'Bro I sooo wish I listened to ya when you said to lose the winstrol!!!'
LOL, nah, my playlist plays an important role in my workouts. I can’t stray from what pushes me harder. She definitely pushes me to hit the gym though. 5am workouts, six days per week is all her doing. I’m sure I’d have more off days if it weren’t for her. This chick is a fitness beast. No girly workouts for her.
Npp is my favorite compound. Npp and dbol together tho is amazing. I've had my best training when I cycled them together. The fullness, and the pumps are awesome. Plus the addition of joint lubrication just gives a better overall sense of well being for me.
The joint lubrication & cushioning from them both is literally the best you can get, they can take away any pain or soreness you may have in there plus past injury pain. I really am not sure just how much estrogen levels have to do with all that though.
Estrogen I feel for sure plays a role. Finding the proper dosages for myself was key. For me keeping my test at 300 mg a week, npp at 300 mg a week and dbol 30 mg daily split into three dosages. With no ai or Proviron my estrogen ranges between 20-30.
What's up man. How ya been? And absolutely estro plays a part in joint health. That's why I try not to mess with my estro too much. Good luck with everything man
Doing well DeeMan, hbu ? I agree with you on the estrogen. I tend to keep my dosages on the lower end for that reason. Like the majority of us I've done some research on the ment. With articles and opinion pieces they tend to make it out to be a nightmare. When you get into the forums with personal experiences, it seems less of the such. With that being said, it intrigued me to find out for myself what it really is like. Appreciate the good luck and I'll try to come back to this with updates. Stay healthy and happy brother.
What doesn't work for one man may work for another so remember that. Put it like this...I think on paper ment was definitely hyped up but yeah keep us in the loop bro. You may like it. We all respond to different compounds differently. Stay healthy my man.
Yeah man, I don’t see the point for you unless you’re going to some PRs. I fucked my body up this past year with going for strength. I had X-rays recently on both shoulders and basically I have to lay off overhead pressing “military and incline press” for a while. I mean, I wish I can be like rusty and bench 315 for 19 times but I guess he’s in a league of his own.
I’m not going for strength, but I’ve definitely been increasing because I’ve been feeling I’ve plateau’d a little lately. It like up and down with the same features. I’m finally seeing some noticeable changes in my body composition this time. Think I just needed to go a little heavier and harder to start tearing my muscles again.
If you want good shoulder health I would stay away from fixed barbell military press and also incline bench press mate, do dumbbell SP instead. I was recently watching a Larry W video and him and a few other huge benchers were all saying that Incline is fucking their shoulders up and causing more problems than its worth, causes a lot of pec tears too. Its emerging that it causes more problems than Flat bench if you can believe it!! They were all saying they are never doing Incline again which is surprising so there must be some truth to it. What kinds of things did the X rays show - RTC problems and the like?
So believe it or not, I was only pressing with dumbbells press, “pun” but the opening of the rotator cuffs on a high incline has put strain and inflammation. So now, I do standing military press but I keep the bar in front of me as well as dumbells instead of seated. I definitely fucked my shoulders when I went for 150lbs dumbell incline. Now it’s only cables for me but I seem to be maintaining my size and I’m even off cycle.
I haven’t flat benched in years. Only incline dumbbells
If you aren't use to that weight then you're taking a risk for sure. If you can handle 150 pound dumbell inclines then your bench should be pretty good, but then again it's a weak point for some or sometimes it isn't indicative of a good bench. Just depends
Eventually as we get older those Hammer Strength machines will come into play....at least for me they will.
Haven’t been able to bench in a very long time (10+ years) because shoulder pain especially flat but dumbbells never bothered me. Now it was just too much on my rotator cuff so if I do dumbbells I just rep out 120s on incline only slightly rotating the dumbbells on an angle so I don’t have to rotate my shoulder open. Dumbell military press on the other hand, I’ve been reading more and More how it’s terrible for your shoulders and the Doc strongly suggested if I do presses to keep everything in the front or use machines. So far, it’s been a month and my shoulder pain is going away finally but I’m not the same animal with my dumbell pressing so I have to find another movement to be my bread and butter. So squatting it is.
Man I started messing around with those machines awhile back and I was like damn, good isolation of muscles. But right now I can't leave that heavy iron alone man! I can't jake! But father time will eventually make me.
150lbs Dumbbells???? Holy shit, Bro, my shoulders may snap off if I tried that. 95’s are the furthest I’ve gone. Felt like my brain was going to explode
Sorry for bumping a not so fresh thread but wanted to ask for your opinion guys.
I've had 100% clear Trest E that worked just as expected (once only) then only brown-ish oils from other labs.
The difference is way too obvious. Anyone happens to know what the raw powder's color is supposed to be?
I doubt just the carrier oil can turn a totally clear compound in a dark brown one...
I have some alpha wolf ment a in the way.
Tasty
Appreciate it the comment. This will be my first time running ment. Any personal experiences, pointers would be greatly appreciated.
The main thing I would advise is to have some BP meds on hand mate, this stuff instantly shoots mine up even on just 25mg per day. I almost get an instant headache from it! Now if you are attempting to run it alongside Adrol too - You are defo gonna need those BP meds! Thats really the only struggle I have had with it bud.
Definitely not adding the adrol with the ment. I will be doing low test 275 a week, 50 mg ment per week , and Proviron 25 mg a day. The BP on ment is that a temporary spike or is it the whole length of cycle?
Ment raised my BP about 10points.
Don't even bother with 50mg/wk of ment e. Bump it up to 300mg/wk. Drop your test down to 100mg/wk.
Makwa I can see you love your ment lmao. At this protocol you mentioned, has it been the most effective for you so far compared to the other times ? Also, What would you advise in terms of injection schedule? Would twice a week be fine?
I was going to run low test with low deca and let the ment do its job. So I’m on the right track?
I think you could actually get away with zero test when using ment. The whole purpose of test as a base to provide estro. Ment takes care of that. Ment is basically test on tren.
Just to be safe though I run a very low dose of test. I am going to try just a ment base soon with no test though. I think deca is going to go the way of the dinosaur with ment on the scene. Kind of like comparing some OTC sups from GNC to real steroids in terms of anabolism. 
Ment blows deca out of the water. Lubing the joints, maybe deca has some utility but using it for anabolism, I wouldn't bother anymore. Ment is so much stronger and a hell of a lot quicker too.
My plan was to use test and ment for 4 weeks then switch to test and deca. For two months for that good summer look. I’m going to get bloodwork done to check what it does. Of it messes me up too much I’ll give the ment up for good.
It seems to peak initially just after the injection, but then remains elevated for as long as you are on it. Just have some telmisartan ready bro. That is low Test that you are running it with though so you may find you are fine.
I’m starting to feel like the only guy who hasn’t tried Ment. I’m tempted, but the possibility of erectile dysfunction turns me off. Like what the sense of looking good if I can’t fuck, LOL. Is it just a myth?
I've only used MENT Ace for 4 weeks but I can tell you that the random boners are real...and libido got so high it became distracting!
But it does sound like a fun ride.
Lol good point
Nothing worse than that.. believe me
Not even worth it. I've been saying that from the start @simonmagus84 you're right, stick to what you know
Yeah, guess that’s why I haven’t jumped yet.
I recently tried a short run of MENT again, but honestly didn't get much from it. I know on paper its an absolute menace, but in the real world trenbolone feels so much more effective.
I say stick to what you know. How much better can it be vs npp? Of course it it depends on your goals but I don’t see the point for you.
Agreed! This NPP is really starting to kick in now. I’m loving the way I’m looking and feeling stronger than ever.
Its going well is it bud - everything you hoped it could be and more?! Lol
Yeah, the Dbol blew me up without bloating, and the NPP seems to be keeping me there. The Deca might be kicking in as well because I’m at 8 weeks of 300mg per week. Everything is going a little too smooth to be true. If things keep up this way, NPP may be my new favorite compound. I still love Winstrol, but have no desire to be small again.
To me winny is just gambling with death, that stuff can end your lifting career in an instant bud and nothing at all is worth risking that for. Sure it may shred you up, but is that really the ideal condition to be in when lifting weights? Think about what really is going on - less water in the body meaning muscles are drier and cannot operate optimally, drier more brittle tendons that are already becoming less elastic & stretchy as we are getting older? You know it makes sense to drop it and never look back
No way, I love that shit, LOL! Although, let’s see. It really helped me lean up, so maybe as long as I keep my diet clean, the fat won’t come back, and I won’t see a purpose for it anymore
LMFAO!!! I can already see it 3 months down the line from now ..... You are laid up with a Grade 2 rotator cuff tear & having to wait another 2 weeks to go in for surgery. After that its gonna be 6 months to a year before you can lift full force again, and you are saying 'Bro I sooo wish I listened to ya when you said to lose the winstrol!!!'
Alright, Alright, lll wait awhile LOL! The wife likes me bigger anyway. Her daily compliments have me pushing even harder this past week
Has she been sending you off to the gym equipped with some FFDP 'War is the answer!!! LMao
LOL, nah, my playlist plays an important role in my workouts. I can’t stray from what pushes me harder. She definitely pushes me to hit the gym though. 5am workouts, six days per week is all her doing. I’m sure I’d have more off days if it weren’t for her. This chick is a fitness beast. No girly workouts for her.
Npp is my favorite compound. Npp and dbol together tho is amazing. I've had my best training when I cycled them together. The fullness, and the pumps are awesome. Plus the addition of joint lubrication just gives a better overall sense of well being for me.
The joint lubrication & cushioning from them both is literally the best you can get, they can take away any pain or soreness you may have in there plus past injury pain. I really am not sure just how much estrogen levels have to do with all that though.
Estrogen I feel for sure plays a role. Finding the proper dosages for myself was key. For me keeping my test at 300 mg a week, npp at 300 mg a week and dbol 30 mg daily split into three dosages. With no ai or Proviron my estrogen ranges between 20-30.
What's up man. How ya been? And absolutely estro plays a part in joint health. That's why I try not to mess with my estro too much. Good luck with everything man
Doing well DeeMan, hbu ? I agree with you on the estrogen. I tend to keep my dosages on the lower end for that reason. Like the majority of us I've done some research on the ment. With articles and opinion pieces they tend to make it out to be a nightmare. When you get into the forums with personal experiences, it seems less of the such. With that being said, it intrigued me to find out for myself what it really is like. Appreciate the good luck and I'll try to come back to this with updates. Stay healthy and happy brother.
What doesn't work for one man may work for another so remember that. Put it like this...I think on paper ment was definitely hyped up but yeah keep us in the loop bro. You may like it. We all respond to different compounds differently. Stay healthy my man.
Yeah man, I don’t see the point for you unless you’re going to some PRs. I fucked my body up this past year with going for strength. I had X-rays recently on both shoulders and basically I have to lay off overhead pressing “military and incline press” for a while. I mean, I wish I can be like rusty and bench 315 for 19 times but I guess he’s in a league of his own.
LOL! Fuckin Rusty! He’s got it going on. Seen him getting horny over the orange tops today. SMH
I’m not going for strength, but I’ve definitely been increasing because I’ve been feeling I’ve plateau’d a little lately. It like up and down with the same features. I’m finally seeing some noticeable changes in my body composition this time. Think I just needed to go a little heavier and harder to start tearing my muscles again.
If you want good shoulder health I would stay away from fixed barbell military press and also incline bench press mate, do dumbbell SP instead. I was recently watching a Larry W video and him and a few other huge benchers were all saying that Incline is fucking their shoulders up and causing more problems than its worth, causes a lot of pec tears too. Its emerging that it causes more problems than Flat bench if you can believe it!! They were all saying they are never doing Incline again which is surprising so there must be some truth to it. What kinds of things did the X rays show - RTC problems and the like?
So believe it or not, I was only pressing with dumbbells press, “pun” but the opening of the rotator cuffs on a high incline has put strain and inflammation. So now, I do standing military press but I keep the bar in front of me as well as dumbells instead of seated. I definitely fucked my shoulders when I went for 150lbs dumbell incline. Now it’s only cables for me but I seem to be maintaining my size and I’m even off cycle.
I haven’t flat benched in years. Only incline dumbbells
If you aren't use to that weight then you're taking a risk for sure. If you can handle 150 pound dumbell inclines then your bench should be pretty good, but then again it's a weak point for some or sometimes it isn't indicative of a good bench. Just depends
Eventually as we get older those Hammer Strength machines will come into play....at least for me they will.
Haven’t been able to bench in a very long time (10+ years) because shoulder pain especially flat but dumbbells never bothered me. Now it was just too much on my rotator cuff so if I do dumbbells I just rep out 120s on incline only slightly rotating the dumbbells on an angle so I don’t have to rotate my shoulder open. Dumbell military press on the other hand, I’ve been reading more and More how it’s terrible for your shoulders and the Doc strongly suggested if I do presses to keep everything in the front or use machines. So far, it’s been a month and my shoulder pain is going away finally but I’m not the same animal with my dumbell pressing so I have to find another movement to be my bread and butter. So squatting it is.
I use a few of those machines, but more so to add extra exercise's to the days work.
Man I started messing around with those machines awhile back and I was like damn, good isolation of muscles. But right now I can't leave that heavy iron alone man! I can't jake! But father time will eventually make me.
150lbs Dumbbells???? Holy shit, Bro, my shoulders may snap off if I tried that. 95’s are the furthest I’ve gone. Felt like my brain was going to explode
Basically another human being
In each hand, LOL
Damn Jake, you don’t sleep either ?