posted Mon, 03/16/2015 - 19:41
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+ 7 secondary labs tests swole oil 600mg test
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Ok so here is the follow up on the original post i did this is 100% swole oil at 600mg pinned monday at 4am pinned friday at 4am test was done mid morning.
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I spend a lot of time in Lab tests section although I don't comment as much as I did before, because apparently when you're a SRC, you're automatically biased even when you say 1+1=2. Anyway..
I can't help but notice your E2 (estradiol) levels. This means Test is being converted to E2 via aromatase.. which means you will have lower Test levels as seen in the Lab Test.. how low no one can know. But instead of guessing, I think the best way is to control your E2 via an AI then have a proper test. Even though the "normal" ref range goes up to 42, I would aim for lower, max of 30. I won't school you as to why E2 must be low, if you're cycling, I bet you know damn well. High E2 also downregulates AR receptors, and can be antagonists in certain tissue.. don't quote me on this but I'm pretty sure about it. Anyway bottom line is control it, no use in using steroids to grow when you're rocking an E2 level like that..
As I said I hang around this section pretty often, and your source currently seems one with constantly positive blood tests. And I know about the mass-brewing/big batch thing.. So logically speaking, 1-2 tests out of X using the same vial.. I wouldn't blame the product. At the end of the day, you are purchasing and using AAS to grow and look/feel good, that is the main aim, not to bash or honor any source. So if I were you next step would be to control E2 immediately and get back on track.
Another thing worth mentioning is BIO-INDIVIDUALITY. This is very important and most people overlook it.. even doctors.. You can make me ingest 1gram of caffeine at night, and I promise you I'll sleep just like I would any other day, and I never drink coffee or energy drinks or preworkouts.. so not a matter of tolerance.. Point is, everyone is DIFFERENT. We respond DIFFERENTLY. If your Test levels were in normal range, I probably wouldn't bring up this point, but it's not, it's just relatively low compared to others. I've seen IGF-1 tests for same GH/dose, some people just respond REALLY well. Why is it that when someone scores higher than all the rest, no one bats an eye, but when someone scores lower than others, everyone is worried. It is the same thing, bio-individuality.
Those are my .02 bro.. I've been in this game for a long time, done and seen a lot. You can't see pics under my profile now, but all old timers here know what I look like and know that I know my shit. Still, take my word for what its worth..
Best of luck, hope I helped.
Well put EmPee. High E2 and E1 levels can affect not only FT levels (free Testosterone) but also TT levels (total testosterone). It's a know fact that increased estrogen levels will increase SHBG (Sex hormone-binding globulin). High SHBG lower FT. Everyone focuses on Total T which only tells part of the story.
P2i2tYou are absolutely correct mega. The actual most important levels of testosterone is your free test level, or your bioavailable level of testosterone to put it in different terms.somebody could have a super high TT level with a low ft level due to high shbg/estrodial levels and also somebody could have a lower TT level with a much higher ft level. I personally would like to be the person with the slightly lower TT level and higher ft level. it doesn't matter how much total test you have if it is unusable due to it being bound to shbg or albumin.
You,p2,swole mega,and bm are the only ones with actual information to help me i appreciate it.
Wow! Someone actually responds with a scientific/medical responce instead of a bunch of speculation. It took over 50 plus post times two lab test post to get the right answer. Amazing.
P2i2tthis was one of my comments below. I also stated below how everybody reacts and processes everything differently. would I expect higher levels than this at that dose? Yes, for the average person who has an average estrogen level. This is why I tried pointing this out.so not for nothing but I believe I stated all of this as well already.
Yes you did. Thank you for being intelligent too brother.
P2i2tI wasn't trying to praise myself either just so it is known. But I know it can help with perspective when it is pointed out that others agree and understand this as well. I was just trying to help you understand that people DO understand the different variables and factors. And I'm sure a lot of others who didn't post on here for whatever reason know this as well. I know for sure mega gets it too! Keep doing what you're doing og. You have nothing to prove.
I have an Ai coming in this week gonna start that to lower estro and then retest any idea how long after i start it i should get test done?
K im not experienced in this area by any means in terms of firsthand experience, however Ive done a lot of research and know how things are supposed to work "on paper" in preparation for my 1st cycle (which I'm currently 2 weeks into, using swoles gear) and i gotta say, based on numerous studies Ive read that look at the dose response of exogenously administered testosterone as it relates to things like E2 conversion, DHT, free/total test, etc. this test number seems right on the money. Im running 500mg cyp/week and based on the literature Ive read (which of course is administering pharmaceutical grade test to the subjects in the studies), when I do get mid cycle bloods drawn, Im expecting a total test # just over 2000-2200ng/dL.
does that sound right to you vets? Im a bit confused, (and please don't take this as a call out OP, just trying to make sure I understand this stuff correctly, thank you for posting bloods) because this would be right at where I'd expect running 600mg test/week.
P2i2tNo..does not seem right at all to me. Running 500 you expect levels around 2000? Absolutely not.minimum 3000 for a 500 level. Let alone a 600 level.Id want 3500 bare MINIMUM. everybody reacts to and processes these hormones differently. For people that react poorly the minimums are what I would expect their range to be. For people who react more positively to them, then i would expect above those minimums. and in some cases much above them. my other account was hacked and I lost all of my pictures and info but last time I tested at 5800 running 700mg test E weekly. there are dozens of blood tests on here you can check out with people running those amounts.the ones that came out accurate and good were much above the levels you expect.
500 mg a week test cyp. 3980
https://www.eroids.com/pics/test-levels-1
600mg a week test E 4367
https://www.eroids.com/pics/swoleoil-test-e-geneza-letro-bloods
500mg a week test E 5140
https://www.eroids.com/pics/high-test
And there are plenty more as well.
like i said, based on the studies i read, thats what i'd expect. i explicitly stated i have zero previous experience as I'm currently 2 weeks into my 1st ever cycle.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11701431
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/294/6/E1135
http://www.anabolicsteroidcalculator.com/resources/articles/pharmacology...
i have a lot more bookmarked on my laptop at school but you get the idea. according to these studies, 600mgs of test enth is putting individuals at around 2400ng/dl. Im not saying this is infallible, I'm not saying anyone is lying about their dosages/levels, but I'm certainly not going to completely dismiss studies aimed at predicting the dose response healthy males seem to exhibit for x, y, and z mg of test per week.
BM, The numbers you are looking at are nadir values, bloods taken at the lowest point.
These tests are also based on weekly injections. According to the trend that these bloods present, the average serum level will be 4x the weekly dose on the 7th day after pinning.
Bloods taken after twice weekly pins will have a smaller peak and trough. None of the studies done measure peak serum levels, nor do they study twice a week pins.
The trend that I've seen is that twice weekly pinning should get us bloods in the 6x to 8x range.
500mg a week should be getting you at least 6x on bloods, 3000 ng/dl
There will be some folks that fall out of the norm, some dudes may only get 4x, but there should be an equal amount of deviation to the upside, some scoring 9x or 10x
P2i2tgood references. Not going to argue with you. I just go by based on all the blood work I've personaly seen over and over. including my own. and especially my own. those are my truest form of studies and references I could possibly get.like I stated above. Everybody is an individual and everybody reacts and processes differently. the good majority of experienced people that would see levels that low, in the 2000's, running those dosages, 5-600, would complain of underdosed gear. Guaranteed. Not all but definitely the majority. this is good though because what it does is push us and anybody else reading this to continue to research and continue to find more information. that's what I like about this kind of stuff
oh absolutely, theres definitely something to be said about real world experience vs how things "should" work based on say reading it from a textbook or something. I'm with you, thats what i like about this stuff because it really comes down to a little bit of everything; one size doesn't fit all and its those years of lifting, proper nutrition, educated use of supplements/gear/whatever all mixed together that brings out the best in everyone.
anyways sorry if I came off dickish before, I got food poisoning (during a time when I'm trying to eat everything in sight lol) and hadn't eaten all day so I was a bit irritated. didn't mean to come off that way, apologies if i did. hopefully we can learn something out of this, like you said thats the fun part to me
P2i2tNah, you're good bro. I get cranky as shit when I am hungry as well. so I empathize with you 100% there! Haha the good part about this is that you can see it from my angle and I can see it from yours.it shows open-mindedness, which is the approach we got to take when viewing situations like this considering everybody is unique and there's not one standard code that is going to fit everybody. that's why this stuff can get so confusing and lead to so many disagreements and controversies.just keep an open minded approach to all of this and you'll be fine. As will I and everybody else.
These test show about 2831 its just a lil hard to see but that seems in the range you are looking for, have another member doing bloods in a couple weeks and he is gonna keep his estro in line so we can see the dif between the two
you got it, sounds good. I'll be pulling mine in a few weeks as well, Im just not sure if Im gonna be capped at 1500 (I'm in NY so getting bloods is a pain in the ass...).
I just don't see how (and I'm not at all calling BS, just contrasting it to what Ive read based on clinical studies) people would expect nearly double this, seems dead on. But, should be a good learning experience.
Anonso your posting bloods for your "friend "
Also posted "my"bloods this was a secondary test
AnonImma go out on a limb here but your the only person I've seen with bad results ... I have a feeling there are some
Other factors here not mentioned ? Drug use maybe ?
Hey listen my man i understand your skeptical but dont need it to get out of hand you have good bloods post them up. I guarantee you i will not be on your page calling them fake have no time for that no point in doing all of that. I see your account is new take a look at my join date, look at my karma nothing in this for me other than information. I understand im the only one but in my first labs i posted i thought it was a dif src's gear "got fried for that" posted the second labs to prove it was,and this is where we are at
There are actually a few others...one of them not even being from this board...
+1 for posting bloods
was this from testE or testC? hmmm iono what to say but judging by swole all his products are made in large batches with the same raws that came in high in testing, kinda weird.
P2i2tI will be pulling bloods in 5 weeks using this batch. I know it is a while away but I am making sure I am at minimum 8-10 weeks in so there is absolutely no argument as to if I have been on long enough. I will make sure I update you.
Def looking forward to you taking bloods brother..I as well will be hitting you up..five weeks from now haha..
Hey bro i appreciate it looking forward to that Im gonna hold you to that i will pm you in 5 wks lol
P2i2tyou are more than welcome too bro. It's definitely happening
Damn that sucks.
Stop assuming everyone reacts the same . While some guys might get crazy numbers from 500 test others are low . If you're seeing results in the mirror and weights I say stick with it.
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P2i2thttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2913038/
Courtesy of mega
Shows correlation with age, estro conversion, and a few others as well.
Anon600mg/week would have me over 4000 at least. I dunno, everyone is different I guess. I'm sure this will stir up a nice shit storm though.
P2i2tthis is pretty disappointing to see. This is the same batch number 014E2145?also what is he using as an AI??is it swoles product as well? it almost seems like he is not using one at all! let's not forget those high estrogen numbers can really cause havoc to your testosterone levels as well.I believe mega posted links do this in your other test showing the correlation between high estrogen and lower test levels. +1 for posting
I havent seen that,that may be true we both have high estro could be issue.
He is currently on no ai his decision not mine
P2i2tSucks to hear :-( hopefully these numbers will help change his mind. unfortunately some people are just too ignorant. not putting him down. But it is what it is sometimes
Lol ya it did change his mind he got these results and first txt was i need some aro
P2i2tAwesome! Glad to hear it.
Personally these bloods should be a lot higher then that... at 600mg week and being on for 7 weeks should at least have him well over the 4000 or 5000 range ...would like to hear others opinion though..
Rustyhookerhttps://www.eroids.com/pics/bloods-from-swole-oil-test-e-and-tas
Number went up 800 suggesting the other oil was garbage. Wonder what it could have been if solo run?
No rusty let me make it clear these are not my results these are results from a friend that is running same order as me without tas only swole at 600mg per wk. Do these numbers look good? He has been running them for a week longer than me so total about 7 wks
RustyhookerShould have your friend join. Only because there's a lot of he said..He said as it is on here. Fume type guys.
Im a simple guy rusty if something is wrong with gear i just move on just wanna make sure im not doing something wrong but with mine and his estro that high im wondering if thats the issue. Trust me last thing i want to be bad is the gear.
RustyhookerNo worries man. Here to learn and read as well
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