+ 3 Prolactin vs. P5P experiment
As some will recall, awhile back there was a discussion ( https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/prolactin-caber-and-b6 ) about the effects of vitamin B p5p on prolactin as an alternative to cyber. Since I was running NPP at the time I offered to test the theory.
My mid cycle bloods,which were drawn on 8/25, had my prolactin at 7.6 ( https://www.eroids.com/pics/bloodwork-for-pp-testedp-npp-wprolactin ) Actually on the low/mid end of the scale (2-18 ng/ml). Because of this, I decided on a lower than normal dose of 50mg ed so as not to bottom out. Well.....as you can see, my prolactin actually went up. Almost doubled in fact. Same test dose- 600mg wk. Same NPP dose- 400 wk. Same diet, training etc. The only change between bloodwork, which was drawn on 9/25, was that at this point, I was about 4 wks into my var. finish of 50mg ed.
This is obviously not the desired result and I honestly can't explain the numbers. But they are what they are.
Delayed reaction to the nandrolone?
Var. Increasing prolactin?
Had just pulled provi from the cycle prior to first blood draw. Does mesterelone inhibit prolactin?
Your thoughts.....
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Thanks for doing this, very disappointing but as you say you used a low amount. Which brand of p5p did you use out of interest?
Interesting mate, was this your first time with a 19nor?
As we spoke about I ran it with a Tren blast. 100mg of P5P ED it seemed to work but if I missed a couple of dosages I almost instantaneously got a feeling of uneasiness which I get when my prolactin is high. Seemed to work well enough but no bloods to back anything up. I’m undecided weather or not id take P5P again or just sprinkle caber in here and there. Cost wise there wasn’t much difference, it was more inconvenient taking P5P, the only plus was avoiding the negative effects caber comes supposedly.
Cheers for putting the graft in bro
Anon+1 for doing this and getting bloods. But I don't think you took a high enough dosage of B6. I would like to see this further tested in the bodybuilding realm.
Yep. Again, the low dose was by design. I dont take high doses of anything if I dont need to. Keep in mind, i wasn't actually trying to drop my prolactin. Or even control it. Because my numbers were in a good spot, I was simply trying to see if it had any effect at all. Which it clearly didn't. I'd like to see this done by someone who was actually elevated.Its hard tell what effects it has otherwise. I still find it odd that my numbers doubled however.
AnonI take 300mg of B6 daily as a possible pre-emptive measure against prolactin.
Reasons being is because I have seen old cycle layouts that recommended B6 at that dosage when running a 19-nor. I have read some studies online about B6 lowering prolactin. And I have read studies suggesting that vitamin toxicity at that dosage is rare.
I keep caber on hand though. And I have used caber before at .5mg 2x a week at the end of a cycle that contained 200mg of Tren E a week. I did this because I was curious as to what caber would do. I wasn't having any noticeable high prolactin symptoms and I did not get any useful blood work done. However I did get noticeable effects from the Caber, mainly harder and longer lasting erections even after ejaculation.
Here is a pdf on a 2019 study that compared 300mg of B6 a day vs 1mg of Caber a week. The study subjects were all women. The study results demonstrate 300mg of B6 daily lowers prolactin but not as effectively as 1mg of Caber a week does.
The Role of Vitamin B6 in Reducing Serum Prolactin in Comparison
to Cabergoline:
https://impactfactor.org/PDF/IJPQA/10/IJPQA,Vol10,Issue1,Article17.pdf
I don’t know bro. I’d say Prolactin builds with continued use of a 19nor to a extent. 50 I think is low for the B6. I thought it was supposed to be closer to 500mg but I could be wrong so 50 might not be super-physicalogical enough. Thanks for doing this buddy.
B6 and P5P have different dosages
The scientific study states 300mg but doesn't clarify per day or wk. Im assuming per day. Growmore mentioned running it at 100mg ed. I figured I'd go low since my levels weren't elevated.
Molinin302Yeah bro, its a daily dosage. 300mg being a starting point.