+ 6 Pre bulking cycle pics
This will be the first time ive ever posted pictures of myself on this forum please let me know what you guys and gals think FYI its very hard for me to gain size ive always been around 130-140lbs up until this last cycle. This picture was taken at the end of my last 10 week cycle going into my PCT which consisted of GenexPharma Profinex 200 dosed at 300mg tren ace and 300mg test prop per week and Pharma Tren50 dosed at 50mg pre workout every other work out day for about a total of 150mg/wk this stuff is straight energy in a bottle!!! Pct consisted of 6 weeks of GenexPharma Nolvanex 25 dosed at 25mg a day. I have been off cycle for a little over 2 months now I was at 165lbs at the very end of the cycle which was a huge 25lb gain from where I started at 140lbs I lost about 5lbs total after PCT was complete I weighed myself yesterday at the gym and still sitting at 160lbs so overall I gained a solid 20lbs of muscle on a 10 week cycle and stayed decently lean. I plan on starting a 10-12 week bulking cycle in about 3 weeks which will consist of Pharma Test E300 (OSGear promo thxs OSGear!!!) dosed at 600mg/week Biopharmclinic Dbol dosed at 25mg/day 4-6 weeks and ending cycle with a PCT of Nolvanex 25 at 25mg/day for 6 weeks just like last cycle. Hoping to get my weight up 10lbs to 170lbs by the end of this cycle which I dont think is unreasonable seeing as I gained a huge 20lbs solid last cycle!!! Any input, advice on cycle or anything anyone wants to critique about anything I've posted please feel free could use all the advice possible.
!!!!!!!!!Edit!!!!!!!! Cycle has been postponed and reajusted will be waiting until I put more mass on naturally before starting another aas cycle!!!!! Thanks to everyone for there advice and input!!!!
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Personally I think you would benefit more of naturally gaining and hitting a plateau and above all EAT. Nutrition is key I can’t stress this enough to guys, I know it’s not what you wanna hear everyone wants to run gear and think it’s a miracle but you gotta work. You should be doing this natural for a few years and reach your full potential before thinking of hitting the sauce. Either way best of luck to you.
Twisted1Thanks man appreciate the advice! I've already decided to wait a while on the gear and focus on my diet and training. Ive already gained 5lbs solid changing my diet and training around. I added about 2000 clean calories to my diet and hired a personal trainer to help push me even harder. I really do appreciate the help and advice!!! Thats why I edited my post
I know this is an older post but...Clomid for pct. You don't want to use nolva with any nor19 compounds. You can replace the Nolva with something else but at the top of my head I can't remember the name of it. A quick search and you will find a results but you definitely want to include Clomid
Twisted1Thanks man I appreciate the advice! I already have clomid from Pharmacom on hand ready for next cycle. I took the advice from all the knowledgeable and advanced members and decided to hold off a little longer before I start. Im currently at about 4 months from my last pin of anything and currently putting on some mass naturally. When I start cycle the cycle will look like this now.
Pharmacom Test E300 600mg/wk split
Pharmacom Test P100 300mg/wk 100mg 3xwk first 3 weeks
Hgh 2ui a day 7 days a week 6months-1 year
Genex Aromasin 25mg/wk split will adjust the dose if I need to.
PCT-Pharmacom clomid/ Genex Nolvadex/ Genex HCG
I already started the hgh a little over a week ago due to insomnia issues hoping this will help as well as help my knee as I've had 2 knee surgeries on the same knee I'm currently on 2ui a day 7 days a week of Genex hgh plan on doing bloods on hgh before I start my aas cycle as to get the most accurate test results possible with no other added components and will be posting the results for the community I will be taking gh serum as well as igf-1. After I finish the 160ui of Genex hgh I have I'll be switching over to OSGear blue top hgh I bought 200ui and will also be taking bloods when I switch over to compare the test results with Genex hgh. Again thanks for the advice I appreciate yours as well as everyone elses!!!:)
Twisted1I got my lab results back today and my total testosterone is at 663. I wasnt exactly sure which test to order so I only ordered total testosterone
Twisted1I got my blood drawn today for lab work to see what my testosterone levels are at will be posting the results as soon as I get them back to get further advice from all of you willing to help me on my fitness journey. Thanks to all of you who have helped me thus far!!!
Once your buffed out with those tatoos u gonna look sik! Focus on diet(eat protein every 3 hours), and consistent hard training get strong on the basic lifts w good form. Stick to basics. Can run some TEST but not much else. You are young and need to max out your genetic potential.
Twisted1Thanks brother definitely been changing a lot of things around drastically this week!!! Getting bloods done to see where my test level is at. Been drinking tons of failife milk and chocolate milk on top of my regular diet and increasing calories a lot more!!! I've always trained hard and consistant
Twisted1Just wanted to update everyone and after recieving such a profound amount of great advice and information I've decided to post pone my next cycle while I get some very important things in check. I decided to order blood work thanks to the advice of RangerVet and will be posting the results to get further help. I have been drinking tons of fairlife milk now for several days with no issues whatsoever so thanks to all of you who suggested that as an option I had no idea it was even available. I also ordered Clomid as I was advised that depending on how my bloods come back I may need them and if not at least I'll have them ready for next cycle to go along with my Nolvadex.
Them tattoos are killing it bro your reminding me of the “joker”
Twisted1Thanks bro!!! Got a little carried away when I used to do MMA one of my fight sponsors was a tattoo artist and in return for free ink I put his logo on my fight shorts and my fight shirts. 2 knee surgerys later and I decided to give up the fighter dream and started focussing more on weight training and putting weight on rather than staying super lean and small for my fights cause I fought at 125lb-135lb weight class for several years.
Hey, I'm lactose intolerant too but there are some things that can help.
Try Lactaid or Fairlife. Also they make pills, that might help if you dont like the milk. Also I'm the same height and a bit of a hard gainer myself but theres help there too.
Eating is like a switch, it may be hard to turn on initially, but once your caloric burn matches your intake its easy af.
Whats your diet like? How many times a day do you eat? Those are the proper questions to be asking yourself right now if you want mass.
I'm on my first cycle as we speak but from years of experience I'm finding the eating to be the easiest part. Its the same as if you were just regularly training. This is what my day looks like.
I wake up at 5, cook breakfast, eat. Before I leave to the gym I turn on my rice cooker with 1 1/2 cups of brown rice. Workout for an hour. On my way home I stop at the grocery store and buy my protein and vegetable for the day. Cook the protein and vegetable as soon as I get home and within 15 minutes I'm eating a freshly cooked meal with the brown rice I made before I left. Make enough for 3 more dishes that get eaten throughout the day and I'm good until dinner.
That's 4 meals right there with no shakes. And because you aren't eating 1500 calories a meal, its easy to do and very satisfying. If you decide to miss a meal, have a shake.
Do it every day for a few months and you'll gain clean weight like I did.
Good luck brother.
Twisted1Thanks for the awesome input bro!!! I tried the fairlife milk drank 2 of the 52oz bottles yesterday and so far have had no issues at all with it!!! And the chocolate taste great!!! So glad you guys suggested fairlife its gonna help my gains tremendously. I plan on focussing a lot on my diet and getting everything straightened out and in order before I hop on another cycle
You can buy lactaid milk. It's exactly the same as milk just further refined and lactose is removed from milk. It's 5 dollars a gallon. A gallon of milk is over 2000 extra calories a day you could be adding. Cheap way to gain weight.
Twisted1Thats some great advice man!!! I'll definitely try the lactaid milk and see how my body handles it
Privatemedlabs if you go there you can order a testosterone and estrogen test. Then go to closet place that draws blood. Once we see if your low which I guessing yours is, we can advice you on what to take to get your levels back again. If you can do this we can help you rethink and come out better in the long run. Anabolics can wait. Diet changes and a simple blood test we can get you running normal again.
Twisted1I looked up privatemedlabs and theres so many testosterone type tests I have no idea where to even start lol
Twisted1I'll be looking into this asap and get back to you I've been wanting to get my levels tested just didnt know how to go about it thanks bro!!!
Female estrogen panel. Or free and total testosterone level and estrogen level
Twisted1Awesome thanks!!! I plan on ordering my lab work friday when I get paid I'll let you know what comes back when I get the results. The fairlife milk is amazing I bought chocolate and whole and wow it taste fantastic and so far my stomach seems to tolerate it quite well!!! I plan on adding 2 of the 52oz bottles to my diet every day its a little less than a gallon a gallon would be almost 2 1/2 bottles but I dont wanna overdue and regret it I'll ad another 1/2 bottle in a couple weeks after my body adjusts.
That's Great! Check for discount codes for that site. Anytime you need help just ask. Let us know your numbers and we will help you for goals after that. Your smart and taking good advice. Good job
One tip if it is possible have your testosterone level checked. You never took anything post cycle to help that. Your levels may still be very low. If it is low, buy Clomid and start taking. There are protocols here for post cycle. You need to fix that and do what people helped you with. Be smart
Twisted1Awesome thanks for the input bro!!! Any advice on how to get my testosterone level tested never had it done? If I needed to start taking clomid what would you recommend for dosing and duration? All im trying to do here with this post is get better advice than ive previously had so I can continue to grow in the healthiest way possible
Twisted1Will drinking almond milk do close to the same thing as regular milk? I drink tons of almond milk because my body doesnt take good to a lot of dairy I get reallly sick
No unfortunately it is no where near the same as nutrients are concerned. Almond milk is pretty much empty calories and barely any protein at all. Reg milk( as from a cow) has 1g per fl oz.....and about 12 - 14 of carbs per cup . You might not tolerate lactose well but the good news is look into lactaid milk or even better in my eyes is fairlife....that stuff tastes so damn good and label claims to have 50 % more protien per cup. And a lot less sugar and less lactose
..( lactose is a sugar by the way, milk- sugar basically)
64oz a day i still take in.....i used to shoot for a whole gallon per day and thats 124g of quality aminos that no supplement can replace.....
Twisted1Awesome info bro!!! I went to the store last night bought 1 bottle of chocolate fairlife and 1 bottle of whole fairlife and wow that stuff taste amazing and my stomach seems to handle it quite well!!! I plan on adding 2 of the 52oz bottles to my daily diet its about a 1/2 bottle shy of a gallon but im gonna try 2 bottles for a couple weeks let my body adjust and then ad another 1/2 bottle to my diet in a couple weeks.
Be sure it’s the lactose and not the saturated fat. If it’s the fat just do skim and 1% cottage cheese. It will still work. Prep your food ahead and carry it with you. Eat every two hours if possible. Some of your friends may think it’s odd but in a year you woulnt look like the same guy. That’s the only way an ectomorph can make gains.
Twisted1Thanks so much Sam I Am!!! Ive never thought about the problem being the saturated fat in milk. You've given me some incredible advice today and thanks for not being a dick or making me feel like an idiot!!! I'll definetly be buying some skim milk and 1% cottage cheese tonight I'll let you know how it works out for me.
Your not an idiot. What you have is lean once you dial everything in it will work out. I’m not naturally a big guy either.
Along with what sam said, alotta supplemt companys sell this casien protein as a long lasting type product.
Well cottage cheese is damn near pure casein as far as its protein content( i think its like 85% casien+ or more i read somewhere). So wolf down a big ass bowl of that everynight along with a couple spoons of peanutbutter. The fat from the pb will further slow the digestion of the already slow casin leaving your muscles with a constant steady stream of 1st rate aminos to use as needed thru out the night while you sleep...after all sleep is when we grow right?? Just gotta make sure the building blocks are there on site for when the crew is ready to start workin! Lol.
Also never go to bed hungry. As a guy more on thr lean side myself i alwYs make sure to take in some good nutrients right befire bed.. usually 3 to 500 calorie snack...woops..posted this twice...my bad
Along with what sam said, alotta supplemt companys sell this casien protein as a long lasting type product.
Well cottage cheese is damn near pure casein as far as its protein content( i think its like 85% casien+ or more i read somewhere). So wolf down a big ass bowl of that everynight along with a couple spoons of peanutbutter. The fat from the pb will further slow the digestion of the already slow casin leaving your muscles with a constant steady stream of 1st rate aminos to use as needed thru out the night while you sleep...after all sleep is when we grow right?? Just gotta make sure the building blocks are there on site for when the crew is ready to start workin! Lol.
Also never go to bed hungry. As a guy more on thr lean side myself i alwYs make sure to take in some good nutrients right befire bed.. usually 3 to 500 calorie snack...
Lactose intolerant? There are meds you can purchase otc to help with that.
I dont know who negged you but I'll upvote to offset it. Thanks for sharing your pic and your experience.
Twisted1Awesome thanks I'll look into it!! Yeah I'm lactose intolerant and have had tons of stomach issues since I was about 22 when I had my appendix taken out so for about the last 6-7 years. Anytime I eat pork or too much dairy I get sick to my stomach and it goes right through me and I regret it for about 2 days. One of the reasons its been so hard for me to gain weight.
Taking digestive enzymes helps me a lot when drinking lots of milk.
If not fair life is great, the chocolate is really delicious.
Twisted1Thanks bro!!! Tried the fairlife and you are absolutely correct the chocolate is fantastic and my body seems to handle it quite well!!!
No, doubt bro. I’m glad!
Ameen ali the guru. Says there to much gum and fillers in store bought almond milk. And not as much fats and not enough calories for weight gain.. he has a more indepth look on his youtube channel about stor bought almond milk for bodybuilding purposes
+2 for an honest picture. That says a lot about the kind of man you are. Good luck
I think it’s great you posted an honest picture. I’m seeing a lot of advanced cycles and fancy drugs on novice guys. Forget everything you read on YouTube. Look at this picture , congratulate yourself for what you’ve accomplished and get down to buisness. Your cycle was built around drugs and it failed. Get a my fitness pal app on your phone. Put in everything you eat for a typical week. That’s your calorie baseline. Now add 500 to 1000 calories a day. No protein supplements just Whole Foods. Drink the milk like beard said. Add foods like cottage cheese, Greek yogurt etc. You should gain 20 to 30 lbs in 6 months. Then revisit a test only cycle. You’ll be ahead in the long run. Other option is continue what your doing. Fuck up your health and still be a novice. Make a choice. If you don’t like milk drink it any way. Diet and leg training are what separate the real guys not genetics.
Sam is dropping bombs!
Isnt it a game changer when you ask someone there daily macros and they say OH I EAT ALOT.... learning your daily macros is the BEST free advice to the first step of changing your fitness life..
One thing I learned when I started tracking my food . I was eating near as much as I thought. I like my fitness pal because when I start to eat something bad I think about it. Arnold said to log it Draper said the same. That’s what I do.
Great reply!
Thanks Jay.
Something is seriously wrong with your diet and training because you only weigh 160lbs !! Sort out your diet and stay away from steroids !
Ever try drinking a gallon of milk a day on top of your other meals? You need food, not drugs brother. With all due respect.
It does work. I did this when I started. I would wager where he’s at the milk would put more on him than all that Tren.
No doubt. A bunch of tren would just flatten him out and he’d wonder why he looks smaller than he did before he started. He can put a good 30 pounds on with the right diet.
You don't use Clomid post cycle? Nolvadex does not restart your test production. Your going to get alot of feedback real soon. Before you jump in on next cycle take the time to review all comments below or above.
Twisted1Awesome thanks for the input!!! I've never used clomid before only Nolvadex what would you suggest I dose it at for my cycle?